On SB&T site they say that the coarse thread star is either a 10-60 or a 10-140. Which one is bigger? And does anyone know if someone here is making these larger or outta stainless or both?
Quote from: BMITCH on March 05, 2015, 01:37:33 AM
On SB&T site they say that the coarse thread star is either a 10-60 or a 10-140. Which one is bigger? And does anyone know if someone here is making these larger or outta stainless or both?
If you are looking for a big coarse thread star then the 10-66 id the way to go. It is much bigger than the 10-60, only thing is its slightly thicker so be aware of that when thinking of spacing. As of now I do not think anyone is making them from SS, however I imagine of there was enough demand generated we could get someone to make some again.
Thanks Jason. I knew someone here would know what was needed!
Does the 10-66 fit the jigmaster/112h sleeve?
Yes it does.
As of now I do not think anyone is making them from SS, however I imagine of there was enough demand generated we could get someone to make some again.
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Well, if someone was going to make them out of SS I'm in for 6. ;)
in your case 10-49 would be perfect it's recess where it meets the spacer
Marc..
The 10-49 would work, but the recess doesn't help any on these reels, due to the right side bushing sticking out as it does. Different story for the 113, 149, 249, 349, 49 and few others., the bushing on those is lower.
I've mentioned a few times that the new custom ss gear sleeve should be 2mm taller, but no one will listen :-\.
it's a shame, it would really make a difference.
Sal
Now I see what you were calling for Sal. Yeah a couple mm would help!
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 05, 2015, 02:39:10 AM
The 10-49 would work, but the recess doesn't help any on these reels, due to the right side bushing sticking out as it does. Different story for the 113, 149, 249, 349, 49 and few others., the bushing on those is lower.
I've mentioned a few times that the new custom ss gear sleeve should be 2mm taller, but no one will listen :-\.
it's a shame, it would really make a difference.
Sal
Won't a longer spacer sleeve do the trick?
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 05, 2015, 02:39:10 AM
I've mentioned a few times that the new custom ss gear sleeve should be 2mm taller, but no one will listen :-\.
it's a shame, it would really make a difference.
Sal
Some of us do.
Quote from: mike1010 on March 05, 2015, 05:07:13 PM
Some of us do.
Won't a longer spacer sleeve do the trick?
Yes, see Sal's posts.
Quote from: mike1010 on March 05, 2015, 05:07:13 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 05, 2015, 02:39:10 AM
The 10-49 would work, but the recess doesn't help any on these reels, due to the right side bushing sticking out as it does. Different story for the 113, 149, 249, 349, 49 and few others., the bushing on those is lower.
I've mentioned a few times that the new custom ss gear sleeve should be 2mm taller, but no one will listen :-\.
it's a shame, it would really make a difference.
Sal
Won't a longer spacer sleeve do the trick?
No. A shorter spacer sleeve might help, but if the star hits the bushing in the side plate you'r out of luck.
A longer sleeve is the answer.
Quote from: trond_solem on March 05, 2015, 05:25:10 PM
Quote from: mike1010 on March 05, 2015, 05:07:13 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 05, 2015, 02:39:10 AM
The 10-49 would work, but the recess doesn't help any on these reels, due to the right side bushing sticking out as it does. Different story for the 113, 149, 249, 349, 49 and few others., the bushing on those is lower.
I've mentioned a few times that the new custom ss gear sleeve should be 2mm taller, but no one will listen :-\.
it's a shame, it would really make a difference.
Sal
Won't a longer spacer sleeve do the trick?
No. A shorter spacer sleeve might help, but if the star hits the bushing in the side plate you'r out of luck.
A longer sleeve is the answer.
A longer spacer sleeve would engage the star earlier, which would prevent if from hitting the bushing, but I recall from other posts that Sal wants a couple of free turns of the star before engaging. That's why the longer gear sleeve is the answer.
Think about it, a shorter spacer will not stick out of the sideplate but a longer one will, no matter how long the gear sleeve is.
Spacer Sleeve
(http://www.scottsbt.com/catalog/store/images/pennparts/parts/9_60490.jpg)
Gear Sleeve
(http://www.scottsbt.com/catalog/store/images/pennparts/parts/98_60at.jpg)
Both are needed. The spacer needs to be longer to hold the star off the bushing. The sleeve needs to be longer to keep the star from engaging the spacer too early.
Gear sleeves are fixed length, change out your metal washers with thinner or thicker ones or toss the spring washer to adjust the stack height.
I prefer my drag just touching when the star is backed out all of the way.
Quote from: Keta on March 05, 2015, 05:41:33 PM
Gear sleeves are fixed length, change out your metal washers with thinner or thicker ones or toss the spring washer to adjust the stack height.
I prefer my drag just touching when the star is backed out all of the way.
You and Sal can debate the first point, as I am out of my depth. I like just a little slack above the spacer. A half turn on the star is fine.
Quote from: Keta on March 05, 2015, 05:31:37 PM
Think about it, a shorter spacer will not stick out of the sideplate but a longer one will, no matter how long the gear sleeve is.
Spacer Sleeve
(http://www.scottsbt.com/catalog/store/images/pennparts/parts/9_60490.jpg)
Gear Sleeve
(http://www.scottsbt.com/catalog/store/images/pennparts/parts/98_60at.jpg)
That depends on how thick the drag stack is. I have had problems with a tad too long spacer sleeve. The star would engage 2 threads before it hit the space sleeve and it would be tightened down real hard before the handle could be mounted correctly.
A shorter spacer sleeve solved the problem, but a longer gear sleeve would be a better choice.
It's easy to compensate for a long gear sleeve with a washer or two, but a short gear sleeve is a pita.
The spacing issues with Penn reels is something that I have dealt with on almost every reel. I know that an extra 2mm would help, as it would eliminate the issue of not having enough room. With that said, I feel that it would create an issue of "too much space" that would have to filled with washers and such. If these were to become available it would have to be in addition to the ones already available. Just in my opinion
The only spacing issue I run into is after all the drag upgrades, the standard 12.5mm spacer is now to long/large to fit. With the rolling out of the 10.5mm and 11.5mm spacers, it has helped A LOT. I have even had to grind a spacer down to 9.5mm before. Now, I have never had the problem of a spacer being to short before and even with a 9.5mm spacer. With the option of the various sizes, I would just try one that will give you the desired range for you star and if it is an odd ball size, i.e 11mm would be better than a 11.5mm but the 10.5mm is to short. Then a little grinding can get you there. Sometimes just getting it to work is have the fun!
An extra 2 mm and a tension spring under the star will cure all the problems. Penn should have never made the fixed sleeve on the plate the same size as the bushing. I'm not just talking about fitting, I could make anything fit and so could anybody else, I'm talking about the star travel. The 112H has even less travel.
Here is why the 10-49 wouldn't work, the 113 has plenty of room left but the 501 is already hitting
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/015_5.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/015_5.jpg.html)
Since we won't be able to make the jigmaster's bushing a little lower as the 113 , adding 2mm to the gear sleeve would cure it.
We would get away with it as is, but we would have a much better reel if the sleeve was a little taller, we're talking mm, it doesn't take much.