Hi,I am working on another 349 build Was going to make it exactly like my other one but decided to try carving out the sideplate to be able to
access the drag washers & try out different drags without taking the entire reel apart. The eared washers do not clear the stock plate so I used a sanding head on a drill instead of a dremel or step bit to slowly remove the small amount of material. also bought a "spare plate" to try this out.
[(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o774/richiec72/mastermariner3_zpslasxpau6.jpg) (http://s1342.photobucket.com/user/richiec72/media/mastermariner3_zpslasxpau6.jpg.html)][/(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o774/richiec72/master%20mariner2_zpscyy2opuj.jpg) (http://s1342.photobucket.com/user/richiec72/media/master%20mariner2_zpscyy2opuj.jpg.html)]
Took almost an hour fitting but It worked. Tight lines Richie
Nice!
Do you know you can use a SS 113H gearsleeve on the 349? They aren't the same but close enough to work.
I might try the stainless sleeve out. Thinking of carving my other plate out But ,
it works so good that i'm almost afraid to take it apart again.
Quote from: surfcaster on March 14, 2015, 01:40:42 PM
I might try the stainless sleeve out. Thinking of carving my other plate out But ,
it works so good that i'm almost afraid to take it apart again.
349's are one of the easier Penn reels to get back together.
I wouldn't use a SS AR dog with a brass gear sleeve. If you want we can cancel your dog order, it's not a special cut as I was out of them and like to have a few in stock. I can ship the .035" (.89mm) drag washers now.
Good job on that reel Richie, thanks for showing how its done.
Sal
I have a couple copper dogs,& extra used bridge/sleeve.1 new brass sleeve I could do without the stainless one till you cut more.
I would like the washers. Thank you Richie
Thanks Sal I learned it by watching You.
Someday i should post the pics of stuff that I have broken trying to "modify" working fishing reels
Got it, PM me your address. I USUALY have at least 2 15-349 dogs in stock if/when you upgrade the gear sleeve. I'm working on special ones with a shorter arm that eliminate the ability of the AR disengaging lever to function on 2 lever 349's.
I'll show you mine if you show us yours.... :D
Newell aluminum spool, 113H SS gear sleeve, SS AR dog, Alan's handle and my handle arm, 505 cross bars and a 7+3 delrin drag stack.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/Reels/Post/DSCN1568_zpswhekdvxr.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/Reels/Post/DSCN1568_zpswhekdvxr.jpg.html)
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/Reels/Post/DSCN1570_zpsofzn9mk5.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/Reels/Post/DSCN1570_zpsofzn9mk5.jpg.html)
Ok, heres one thats built, & the one in the making......
[(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o774/richiec72/penn%20master%20mariner_zpszfkavajl.jpg) (http://s1342.photobucket.com/user/richiec72/media/penn%20master%20mariner_zpszfkavajl.jpg.html)][/img]
After searching for a spool for 5 years The one on the right is done.The left is work in progress. Thanks to all on this site
for help.
Finding one piece of unobtainium is hard, two is impossible. I wish there were more factory width aluminum spools available, and a topless stock width frame would also be nice.
Saw it & I clicked on "buy it now" before I even read the description.I knew what it was
I Should have played the lottery last weekend....
I've been playing with some 349's for a while and never thought of enlarging the hole. Nice work, Richie, you are thinking outside of the box. I see Berinson's no longer has the Newell spool. If that was you who bought it, then I suppose I should thank you. ;) It saves me from thinking about buying it.
Lee, nice looking outfit, and very capable, too. What is the rating of your rod?
George
50#-60# I fish it 50#.
Berinsons sold out, been eyeing that one for quite some time. I tried that one a few weeks ago. thank you Fred & Randy for the spool.
A few days later found another on ebay. I have a white lamiglas cod jigging rod that the builder or someone painted black? matches up well. the other one has a honey lamiglas rod that I inherited from uncle bud years back when he passed away.
Gents
With this thread, and with the weather still not good enough to get out, i screwed up my courage and started to disassemble a perfectly great Reel to better understand this Project.
It appears that the Plate doesn't allow removal of the Drag Stack from the outside by 'a silly little millimeter', and this modification corrects that. Am I right so far?
Now.. On my Reel, in order of appearance once the Handle is removed:
Star Drag
2 Belville-type Washers
Spacer Sleeve
2 Honking Big Thick SS Washers
1 Really Thick (some type of) Fiber Washer approx 1/8" thick
Then an Eared Washer
That is where the tour stopped because of the Plate lip.
From the Schematic, something is out of sequence, even though it still seems to work.
What is this Fiber Washer? All the Drag Washers I have seen to date are thin. It would take 3 or 4 of them to equal this Fiber one.
Is there anything I could lose and use the space for Drags and Metal Washers? Or is that too simple of a question?
Thanks
Steve
Quote from: sundancer on March 17, 2015, 01:32:30 AM
It appears that the Plate doesn't allow removal of the Drag Stack from the outside by 'a silly little millimeter', and this modification corrects that. Am I right so far?
You're right.
It sounds like you have a reel with the original asbestos washers. You should disassemble it to see what needs replacing. Those asbestos washers should be replaced with carbontex.
George
The 349/349H is one of the easier Penn reels to work on, go ahead and strip it down. IF you have trouble getting it back together we will help, if our "help" does not help you can ship it to me and as long as all the parts are still there and useable I'll service and reassemble it for free.
"It appears that the Plate doesn't allow removal of the Drag Stack from the outside by 'a silly little millimeter', and this modification corrects that. Am I right so far?"
Yes.
The thick SS washer are most likely chrome plated brass factory drag washers, are keyed?
The "Fiber Washer" is the original asbestos drag washer, the 349/349H uses 3 of them, wet them down, put them in a ziplock bag and put them in the garbage.
Dawn might be out of them again (if she is she will have more soon) but she sells a complete 5+1 drag stack upgrade with .047 SS metal washers that will fill the gear perfectly. I have 7+1 and 9=1 sets of metal washers but the 7+1 looses ears when under heavy loads, the 7+1 has not failed during testing. "Testing" is hooking my line to my ATV and making 100-200 hard runs as fast as I can go.
The drag set on the right is original. Note that I have a 349 pinion gear and yoke next to a 349H main gear in the photo.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/Reels/349Edit_zpse300f2ef.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/Reels/349Edit_zpse300f2ef.jpg.html)
So that is what the asbestos washers look like.
I have 2 of these beautiful Reels, 1 spooled and ready to go. I am inclined to leave 1 'as is' and change out the spooled one.
After I take a look, I will let you know. I would like to try to squeeze as much out of it, slowly, as I can.
Keta,
Did you mis-type the drag stack you tested? You mention 7+1 loses ears and 7+1 doesn't fail. I am assuming the 9 is losing the ears.
The heavy SS Washers are not keyed. I will try to include some pictures.
Thanks Guys. More to come
Steve
D'oh, the ears on the 9+1 drag stack were starting to deform. Thanks for catching it.
The heavy washers are being used as spacers, you will probably find newer fiber/CF washers in your stack, possibly 113H or 114h washers. You can double up on both of these and fill the gear using the stock metal washers. You can also get an after market washer set and make CF washers or order a 5+1 set (metal and CF) from Smooth Drag. I prefer the 113H CF washers over the 114H but form my own washers, I think out of Smooth Drag #60 or #63 CF washers but I'm not sure.
Steve,
You might want to search "349" or "349H" in
Penn Tutorials and Questions. There are several posts on 349 drag configurations, gear sleeves, etc. Dawn's drag kit is the easiest way to go, though. I've changed mine around several times, so not I'm sure what I have in my reels now. ::)
Quote from: Keta on March 17, 2015, 03:47:44 AM
I have 7+1 and 9=1 sets of metal washers but the 7+1 looses ears when under heavy loads, the 7+1 has not failed during testing. "Testing" is hooking my line to my ATV and making 100-200 hard runs as fast as I can go.
What a brutal way to test a reel. :o ;D I might try this myself.
I'm taking some of my boneyard 347's apart and putting them back together stock, even the asbestos washers. Most of them have one or another of the R&D drag setups I was tinkering with. Overall I'd say the difference between Dawn's 5 washer set and a 7 washer set isn't worth reshaping the ID and OD of the closest washer Smooth Drag sells.
Hi Lee, I just got the drag washers , Great job They are nice I was able to fit 5 stock penn ht 115 washers just messing around ,closest in size I have here. have some thin carbon drags coming from Dawn. The reel is very easy to take apart no dog spring to go flying [mounted to the bridge]
I just figured I would have the drags apart 3 or 4 times fit them so I sanded a tiny bit off the plate.