So it feels like sandy when cranking and on freespool make a weird sound.
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Could you resize the photo so it's easier to see? If you can't may I do it for you?
Look at the top edge of the main gear in the photo, your gear is trashed.
Quote from: Keta on March 20, 2015, 03:51:17 AM
Could you resize the photo so it's easier to see? If you can't may I do it for you?
Look at the top edge of the main gear in the photo, your gear is trashed.
you can please thanks
That yoke is shot too. Its all chewed up. You are going to need a Main and pinion gear, plus the yoke.
The squidder uses a 5-60 main gear, a 13-140 pinion and a 12-155 yoke.
The main gear and yoke are pretty common and used in a lot of other reels, but the pinion is only used on a couple.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 20, 2015, 03:59:21 AM
That yoke is shot too. Its all chewed up. You are going to need a Main and pinion gear, plus the yoke.
The squidder uses a 5-60 main gear, a 13-140 pinion and a 12-155 yoke.
The main gear and yoke are pretty common and used in a lot of other reels, but the pinion is only used on a couple.
Thanks for the info.
Is it normal for the pinion to have alot of play on the spool shaft?
No its not. Sounds like maybe the wrong pinion might be in there and chewed up the yoke and main gear. That, or those gears are just totally worn out. What model of squidder do you have?
You can really mix and match a lot of gears and parts in these smaller penn's.
Hopefully your spool isn't toast as well.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 20, 2015, 05:27:09 AM
No its not. Sounds like maybe the wrong pinion might be in there and chewed up the yoke and main gear. That, or those gears are just totally worn out. What model of squidder do you have?
You can really mix and match a lot of gears and parts in these smaller penn's.
Hopefully your spool isn't toast as well.
Its a 140 squidder. I dont see nothing wrong with the spool. But now i have doubts
As long as the spool shafts on either end look OK. IE, not chewed up or scarred. I think just the three parts is all your going to need to get it going again. Main, Pinion and yoke.
This is a bearing reel. I would tear it down and clean everything up. Then re oil the bearings and put in the new gears. You need any help. just ask.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 20, 2015, 05:48:45 AM
As long as the spool shafts on either end look OK. IE, not chewed up or scarred. I think just the three parts is all your going to need to get it going again. Main, Pinion and yoke.
This is a bearing reel. I would tear it down and clean everything up. Then re oil the bearings and put in the new gears. You need any help. just ask.
Ok will do thanks for the help
By looking at the pic above, I can't determine if your gears are shot or not. I know Lee did, but I don't see it.
The yoke is normal wear, I've replaced many of the same. The pinion being a little loose is also normal, but I wouldn't know how loose it is from where I'm sitting.
I'm going to recommend you get yourself a new handle side bearing:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/26-140.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/26-140.aspx)
Those can't be opened for cleaning, a $1 yoke and see where that takes you.
If you still need a new set of gears, all is not lost. I'm thinking a new bearing and yoke might do though.
Sal
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
It was easier to see in the oversize photo. Fixing the lower cost items first is a good idea.
Look at the displaced metal on the gear teeth, it's easiest to see where I put the lines.
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How were you able to zoom that close and keeping it clear? Looks like bestout will need a new set of gears.
The photo was high resolution and huge, this is 1/3 size and cropped.
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 20, 2015, 10:56:25 AM
By looking at the pic above, I can't determine if your gears are shot or not. I know Lee did, but I don't see it.
The yoke is normal wear, I've replaced many of the same. The pinion being a little loose is also normal, but I wouldn't know how loose it is from where I'm sitting.
I'm going to recommend you get yourself a new handle side bearing:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/26-140.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/26-140.aspx)
Those can't be opened for cleaning, a $1 yoke and see where that takes you.
If you still need a new set of gears, all is not lost. I'm thinking a new bearing and yoke might do though.
Sal
the bearings are fine i guess it just the wrost when i crank. i have manage to free spool for a good 30 seconds
I just saw the pinion they have on Scotts and its a different kind o.O.
here its a better picture of the pinion.
(http://i.imgur.com/9xji0pX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Q9OARyt.jpg')
On the second picture theres a play between the yoke and the pinion its that normal.?
(http://i.imgur.com/DCTH2d5.jpg)
On the last picture theres a gap between the ring and the teeth
Usually a weird sound while in free spool means bad bearings.
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 20, 2015, 03:54:43 PM
Usually a weird sound while in free spool means bad bearings.
It will be a systematic process...
First, take the main gear, lay it down an a piece of sand paper that is on a very flat surface...like glass., and sand away the rolled burrs in the main gear and try that out.
Second, replace the yoke. The yoke may be too loose on the pinion gear
Third, Check the bearing size and operation of the bearings (size for alignment)
Fourth, check the bridge gear sleeve post to make sure it's solid, does not wobble or turn
Fifth, replace the gear set (both main and pinion gears)
If any of that does not fix it, it may very well be due to the tolerances of the reel that the gears are not sitting as tight as it was designed to.
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 20, 2015, 04:18:50 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 20, 2015, 03:54:43 PM
Usually a weird sound while in free spool means bad bearings.
It will be a systematic process...
First, take the main gear, lay it down an a piece of sand paper that is on a very flat surface...like glass., and sand away the rolled burrs in the main gear and try that out.
Second, replace the yoke. The yoke may be too loose on the pinion gear
Third, Check the bearing size and operation of the bearings (size for alignment)
Fourth, check the bridge gear sleeve post to make sure it's solid, does not wobble or turn
Fifth, replace the gear set (both main and pinion gears)
If any of that does not fix it, it may very well be due to the tolerances of the reel that the gears are not sitting as tight as it was designed to.
Thanks Bryan. well the fourth came into my mind. i see that i has a little play. but then so does my both jigmaster.
the slightest in and out play is normal, but up, down, front, and back play is not normal.
Thanks for all the help after trying so many things. I took my jigmaster pinion gear and compare it to the squidder and the were the same they measure 0.405 in so i was like maybe this fits well it did fit and now its smooth as butter. With the squidder yoke. Btw the jigmaster pinion has no play at all with thr yoke compare to the one that was there. So now my doubt its should i order a jigmaster or a squidder pinion. I could not try the yoke cause it doesnt fit.
Quote from: bestout on March 20, 2015, 06:09:22 PM
Thanks for all the help after trying so many things. I took my jigmaster pinion gear and compare it to the squidder and the were the same they measure 0.405 in so i was like maybe this fits well it did fit and now its smooth as butter. With the squidder yoke. Btw the jigmaster pinion has no play at all with thr yoke compare to the one that was there. So now my doubt its should i order a jigmaster or a squidder pinion. I could not try the yoke cause it doesnt fit.
The Squidders and Jigmasters share the same pinion, the reason they have different part numbers is that the Jigmaster's pinion is drilled at the bottomso it could slide over the bushing.
You could install a jigmaster's pinion on the Squidder, ,but you couldn't install the Squidder's pinion on the Jigmaster.
On another note, from the looks of that main gear, I'm surprised that another pinion worked, usually when that bad, they wouldn't mesh. :-\
Sal
i just put a main gear, a pinion gear and a yoke in the mail to you. the parts are used but they look fine and feel ok. give them a try and let me know. thanks! alan
Quote from: alantani on March 20, 2015, 09:18:20 PM
i just put a main gear, a pinion gear and a yoke in the mail to you. the parts are used but they look fine and feel ok. give them a try and let me know. thanks! alan
TYVM Alan
Problem solved. next!
3.8:1 Squidder gears ;D
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 20, 2015, 09:49:54 PM
Problem solved. next!
Yup! problem solved, but it is good to investigate on what caused it ;).
Quote from: WOTHoyt on March 20, 2015, 10:46:22 PM
3.8:1 Squidder gears ;D
What are you saying? I don't get it.
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 20, 2015, 10:53:19 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 20, 2015, 09:49:54 PM
Problem solved. next!
Yup! problem solved, but it is good to investigate on what caused it ;).
Yup, I've seen brass gears like that and worse but they were from reels that were used for large Pacific halibut. Bronze is a better material for gears. The yoke damage I have never seen but it looks like the pinion gear was wobbling on the spool shaft.
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 20, 2015, 10:53:19 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 20, 2015, 09:49:54 PM
Problem solved. next!
Yup! problem solved, but it is good to investigate on what caused it ;).
Quote from: WOTHoyt on March 20, 2015, 10:46:22 PM
3.8:1 Squidder gears ;D
What are you saying? I don't get it.
forgot to mention what cause that? well i was on a jetty and caught a around 70lb blacktip was huge when he jumped and that was it by half way the reel didnt feel right. So i end up cutting the line. Was fishing for spanish mackarel. :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: Keta on March 20, 2015, 10:58:40 PM
The yoke damage I have never seen but it looks like the pinion gear was wobbling on the spool shaft.
I have many in a box somewhere, not as bad as the one above, but bad enough that needed rto be replaced... Normal wear to me.
That would do it bestout. For that size reel, only a Penn would give you a chance to see that shark.
Do you think frame flex caused the damage Sal?
Not sure if a one piece frame would have saved it, but I know the flexing definitely helped it. A custom spacer from Alan C does wonders there when cranking the handle under stress.
It doesn't matter how strong the post is on the bridgeplate, when cranking under enough pressure, that post will always flex, that's when the main gears get tilted.
Alan C resource did come up with a good solution and I know that the custom spacer helps quite a bit, but I always give credit where credit is due.
John ( johndtuttle ) mentioned that same spacer, over by the Tank, that was a while ago.
We have some very smart members here, taking bits of information here and there has helped us come up with some great improvements on our fishing reels.
Also, Penn was aware on this, I have some 3-117 bridgeplates with a flat piece of metal welded on it at the same height as the gear sleeve ratchet, this was placed there as an attempt to keep the main gear aligned with the pinion when under stress.
The custom spacer would do the same, but in an easier and cheaper way.
With that said, I caught a nice size Shark with a stock Jigmaster, with brass gear and frame posts. This was a couple of years ago, I have a pic here somewhere.
The gears looked good afterwards. :-\ So, your fishing style also has something to do with it.
Sal
You're already getting gears but for future reference when the spool engagement slot on the pinion gets rounded out like yours are...it wobbles on the shaft and rides up and down all over the main and yoke. I change out my pinions at the slightest indication of the slot getting rounded out.
I see that on my reels when I free spool anchovies for tuna. Get bit, count three and slam it into gear. A season of 40 pound Albies will kill pinions and spools even on 3/0s in exactly that same place. I think I responded in like manner to another question like this about a hard cranking Squidder. Where am I anyway?