Hi Guys,
Picked up this little 160 recently in pretty good condition. Am I correct in assuming it is pre 1950 as it has no part numbers, also does it look all correct.
As it arrived.
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Stripped and ready for a degrease.
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Cleaned and polished.
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And back together with a final polish of Nevr-Dull
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Nice reel, JM --
Mike will be along soon -- to be sure...
However, to me, it all appears correct -- stipled sideplates, old football grip, proper crank counter weight, mottled spool, no numbers, old squared off stand feet.
My guess would put it in the 40s -- probably not the earliest at the end of the 30s. Mike will get us closer to an exact date, since he knows the little things to look for. Such as the clicker design, logo labeling style, etc.
These little Beachmasters are tough and historical little reels.
Very nice example -- and a professional restoration job.
Best,
Fred
Great Job Mike.
Well said Fred, yes very nice example -- and a professional restoration job.
The reel looks brand new, Mike ;)
Sal
Fred, Daron and Sal, thank you for your kind words, I get a lot of pleasure out of the cleaning and polishing, especially now I have a buffing machine to help my crippled fingers!
I was amazed to find such an old little beauty turn up here in the U.K.
Mike.
Beautiful reel! A nice piece for a collection. Appears prewar to me.
Thank you Tightlines666, I still have a lot to learn, especially with dating reels.
Even with the superb book from Mike I still get confused, must be my old brain!!
Mike.
I just started collecting a few prewar penns myself, and I have ran into a bit of trouble too using Mike's book, existing catelogs, and online photos of old reels as my primary sources. Mike, Ted, and Ray (and others) know more about these old reels then can be found in the previous sources. The trouble and confusion lead to increased knowledge, and to me the learnimg part is half the fun.
Nice 8) Good job
Marc..
Mike:
Beautiful restoration! Would you post a picture of your buffing equipment and what compounds you use? As hard as I try, I can't get the finish you created on this reel.
Wayne
Another nice reel Mike.
Lovely job Mike :)
Thanks to everyone for your kind words.
Wayne, this is the machine I use, not a particularly professional thing, but it does the job, I made the box to sit it in to stop all the mess from the mops covering the wall!!
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http://www.thepolishingshop.co.uk/acatalog/Bench_Grinders_.html (top of the page)
I have many mops and compounds that I use, depending on what I am polishing and the condition of the article.
Having said that, the two I use most of all are, on the left of the machine a 6" x 1/2" WDR quality loose unstitched mop
with Menzerna M5 Super Finishing Compound for final polishing of plastics, chrome and stainless.
On the right of the machine a 6" x 1" WDR quality loose unstitched mop
With Menzerna P175 Yellow Super Finish compound which I use prior to the M5 for plastics, chrome and stainless.
All the mops and compounds can be found on the above polishing shop link.
I also never mix compounds and mops.
Other mops and compounds I use occasionally:
523LBZ grey compound: 1st stage polishing for use on Stainless, Iron, Steel, Titanium and hard Brass.
Mop: Sisal.
Ulto 12 Stainless compound: 2nd stage polishing for use on Stainless, Iron, Steel, Titanium.
Mop: White close stitched.
P126 Pink compound: 3rd stage polishing for use on Stainless, Aluminium. Brass, Copper, Zinc, Titanium. Steel, Iron, bronze.
Mop: G
113GZP Tripoli compound: 1st stage polishing for use on plastics.
Mop B grade loose
Glosswax 16 Beige: High gloss 2nd stage polishing for use on plastics.
Mop G
I also use a Dremel with polishing mops and the above compounds for tight corners.
Hope this helps.
Mike.
Dunno, Mike, looks pretty professional to me. You do beautiful work.
Nice job on a beautiful little reel. Thanks for sharing.
Mike,
I have to say your restoration is amazing. It is unusual to see a Penn reel polished to such a high degree. That said, I will try to date the reel to the best of my ability. The fact that there are no parts numbers anywhere puts the reel in the 1951 or earlier category. There are many tells, the marks on the free spool lever are very early, the unmarked stand is early but there is my feeling that the handle is about a 1949 or 50 handle. The color of the knob, but mostly the laminated counterweight is the true giveaway. I believe that the laminated counter weight did not exist before WW II. The mottled spool may cause me to favor the earlier estimate of late 1940's rather than 1950 but I am almost positive it is post war.
It certainly is a beautiful example of the 160.
That polishing machine is the best. Makes me want to throw mine away......................... :(
Quote from: Penn Chronology on April 29, 2015, 05:07:06 AM
Mike,
I have to say your restoration is amazing. It is unusual to see a Penn reel polished to such a high degree. That said, I will try to date the reel to the best of my ability. The fact that there are no parts numbers anywhere puts the reel in the 1951 or earlier category. There are many tells, the marks on the free spool lever are very early, the unmarked stand is early but there is my feeling that the handle is about a 1949 or 50 handle. The color of the knob, but mostly the laminated counterweight is the true giveaway. I believe that the laminated counter weight did not exist before WW II. The mottled spool may cause me to favor the earlier estimate of late 1940's rather than 1950 but I am almost positive it is post war.
It certainly is a beautiful example of the 160.
That polishing machine is the best. Makes me want to throw mine away......................... :(
Wonderful Mike, thank you for the date, I am pleased the way it polished up for the age.
I was amazed to find something so old in the U.K. normally reels that turn up here are a lot later.
Yes the machine seems to work well, I just take my time, being careful not to overheat the plates, saves my crippled fingers!!
although it polishes my fingernails well ;D
Thank you again,
Mike.
You are Welcome, Always a Pleasure!