One of the first thing I wanted to do on my new 704 project was finding a way to install a second dog, was easier then I thought
Red dot perfect location for the new dog
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/e562e0e2-b687-4499-9993-17ad0c91ecf5_zpsun73kike.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/e562e0e2-b687-4499-9993-17ad0c91ecf5_zpsun73kike.jpg.html)
Was going to use a brass standoff but the tread were a bit small 6-32, my plan was to drill a hole were the red dot is, tap it 6-32, shape the standoff to accommodate the dog
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But I went with a stainless standoff, shaped it and use 8-32 tread, much beefier
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The parts
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A bit of permanent locktight
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The dog is in and works perfect
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Marc..
That's really cool..! You can also put a one way bearing up top on the pinion.
Quote from: handi2 on May 06, 2015, 11:33:23 PM
That's really cool..! You can also put a one way bearing up top on the pinion.
Thanks!! Yeah, my intention was, hoping to use silent dogs, but couldn't do it . I'm not too crazy with the tic tic tic. the one way bearing would have solved that, sure would have made it bullet proof
Going to try weaker springs so it doesn't sound like a bomb clicking
Marc..
is that one going to be shiny too ;D ;D
Quote from: bestout on May 07, 2015, 12:14:02 AM
is that one going to be shiny too ;D ;D
Just a bit ;)
Marc..
is that alternating or simultaneous
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on May 07, 2015, 12:36:45 AM
is that alternating or simultaneous
I'll know when I get my other dog, I mod the one that came with the reel and my new dog takes forever the get here ::) but hope it will be simultaneous
Marc..
Quote from: handi2 on May 06, 2015, 11:33:23 PM
You can also put a one way bearing up top on the pinion.
You got me thinking, I read somewhere that someone had done it before but looking at the reel I can't see how it could be done, by one way bearing, do you mean anti reverse bearing?
Marc..
Very good job Marc! I don't mind the clicking, unless I was trying to get some sleep.
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 07, 2015, 01:04:03 AM
Very good job Marc! I don't mind the clicking, unless I was trying to get some sleep.
Thanks Sal. I don't mind the clicking on conventional , but spinners resonate like guitars, small click sounds like hell
Marc..
Funny you say that about the ticking Marc, when fishing my 710z this past weekend at first I hated the ticking (first time using it). But as I was reeling in fish I kept thinking "oh yeah, I LOVE the ticking." Time will tell
BTW, the stuff you do to your spinners is awesome and inspirational...keep it up!
Quote from: coastal_dan on May 08, 2015, 08:55:03 PM
BTW, the stuff you do to your spinners is awesome and inspirational...keep it up!
+1
Nice job I always wondered if it could be done
Great and clever job!
The one thing about the clicking of double dogs -- they never fail.
ARBs are smooth and nice -- but they can, will, and do fail -- particularly in the surf.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: handi2 on May 06, 2015, 11:33:23 PM
That's really cool..! You can also put a one way bearing up top on the pinion.
I kinda like this idea, for those of us that service our own reels as religiously as those of our friends and customers.
Next thing you guys will be milling out the spool to accept a versa drag system on these old metal spinners :)
Nice job. I was just researching putting a double dog on the 710Z and found this. I don't know if there is enough material to tap it, so I was thinking of drilling through the body housing like the eccentric is setup to make a post but not using the full eccentric assembly. No need to be able to disengage the AR. Did you try alternating the dogs? My intention was to cut down on the back play in the handle by alternating them.
Many people are now installing the one way bearings in the handle shaft and the spool shaft bushing. I'll get some pics when I can.
I thought I read that it exerts too much pressure on the stock internals without hardening. I think it was the LR3 post from a while back when he did it.
IAR and converting the bail to manual (not bail less) would make a perfect reel. Was going to explore the bail after the double dog.
hi marcq
if you put fins on your dogs
you can do away with the springs
and have no clicking
i like the clicking,it reminds me i got ss
cheers
Quote from: wallacewt on November 07, 2015, 02:14:29 AM
hi marcq
if you put fins on your dogs
you can do away with the springs
and have no clicking
i like the clicking,it reminds me i got ss
cheers
What do you mean fins with no spring? I can't picture how you could make the dog silent.
hi marcq
ill post some photos and show you how to do it
as soon as i get time
cheers
hi marcq
850ss silent double dogs.no springs.
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replaced parts on the right
on the left
double dogs with fins
dog screws
10 tooth ss ratchet
2 ss stoppers,they go under the retaining plate and on the back of the dogs
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here it is put together
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lower the rotor ,tighten the nut.your done
comments
when you remove the rotor both fins will widen,so take it easy
i dont have any ss dogs with fins
you could do away with the lower eccentric but i didnt bother.