Before I start taking on this task, I would like to know how many would be interested in a set of side plate for the Senator 10/0.
It will be made in T-6061 aluminum. Each set can be anodized in red, blue, black or silver color. We will see if we can get rid off the brass ring.
It is $185.00 a set. I could not get them for $120.00 even in cost.
Please let me know.
Thanks,
--Alan
I can feel my wallet getting lighter as we speak. :-\
Bring it on, & while you are at it the 9/0 would be even more popular (in silver or maybe even ocean blue & green for Sal). ;D
I like that price Alan, put me down for a couple.
Yes, as Rudy mentioned I take mine in green ;) ;D
These would be cool. I am starting to come around to Sal's way of thinking, and am partial to Green, though silver or black would be cool too.
A solid SS base, maybe of a similar design to those Cal offers for the origional Internationals, and 3 'Newel style' SS crossbars, to replace the posts would really strengthen these reels up and prevent frame twist under high load. Just a thought, as long as we're on the subject :)
What kind of minimum order would you be looking at to make it happen?
At $100-$120 a set i'll be a rod rodder too.
I'd go a 10/O set in black Alan.
Thanks
I'm in for a set if you make them, how about a frame for them as well then!
Sign me up for a frame and plates in black.
I might have a lower income, but will find that money if I need to!
Lets just see what we have here. SS Sleeves from my Man Tom. He posted a progress pic and they look Awesome! Inserts from Adam. Aluminum side plates from Chui. Wow! This is gonna cost me some money!
John, I have seen a 600 lb Hammer caught from shore on a stock 12/0, and I don't see the flex you are talking about. I am sure it is, but when the fight was over, that reel looked flawless. I caught my scalloped hammer on that same reel just a few weeks ago and it hadn't even been serviced! Probably a 175 lb fish. I locked it down and got it over. I know now why John was yelling so loudly as he fought his.
It was three times and then some heavier than mine. I know the reel could use a stand upgrade, but I think the problem lies in people tightening down the reel to the rod and distorting the stand.
I think the bars are a great idea. I want a frame as badly as everyone else, but this is going to be a challenge, since there is no prototype for reference.
I think most of the stand twist I've seen, particuarily on the 14/0s is from a few combined factors...
1)Pre-existing metal fatigue, from old, worn reels
2)Fishing the reel beyond what it was designed for (i.e. 300-400lb mono w/drag locked down tight and a powerful fish on the other end)
3)Fishing the reel without the rod braces
I have seen way too many badly twisted and fatigued stands for this to be caused by simply dropping the reel, or tightening it down on the rod too hard. Though, I'm not saying you can't bend, bow, or fatigue the stand this way as well.
The same problem exists on the origional International I reels, and seems to occur more frequently on those models that have upgraded drags, capabable of putting out much higher numbers then the reel was origionally designed for. The tabs, or metal above the stand holes often break as well.
In both cases the stands are twisted, resulting in a slight overall twist and misalignment to the entire reel. The twisting seems indicative to me of twisting forces being applied to the reel. Such as when the line is at one far end of the wide spool, under heavy load, the rod is fixed in place, and there are heavy loads being applied to the handle (often times on the power downstroke, in the opposite side but at 90 deg to the force applied to the spools.
I think cal recognized this, when he designed and manufactured strong, aftermarket stands for these reels, which I believe he often recommended when 'blueprinting' a reel to produce more drag then stock. These stands by the way are the exact same width a dimensions, needed to fit the BigBoy Senators, but the hole locations are incorrect. Seems to me they would make an excellent prototype for, if they were to be machined out of aluminum. Alternatively, stronger stands could be pressed out of stainless, using the stock as prototypes, or the heavier/cast stands found on the International I 130s could be used as a prototype.
I think the fact that people fish both the big boy senators, and the International Is hard, and despite occasional stand twist or other problems..they continue to work, is a testimate to a well designed, overbuilt reel.
I don't think the stands, or the posts are going to present any noticable problems (especially short-term, and under most normal use conditions), even with the upgrades available. And I sm sure there will be no catastrophic failures....
But they would make a more cost effective alternative to a full, or half frame as a next possible, worthy upgrade.
The frames would be cool though.
All this stuff starts to cost alot to produce for these larger reels (especially in small batches).
The drag insert, SS sleeve, and handle upgrades will really offer the greatest (and most cost-effective) upgrades for these reels. It is really cool to see ideas come to life, and become reality.
If you fish without the braces, yes, I can see it twist. They are there for a reason. I have yet to catch a shark on my 14/0's. I'm just saying, the power put on that 12/0 didn't twist and I was in awe. There was so much pressure on that rod that it was humming. I mean that if you laid your hand on it, it felt like a vibrating cell phone. I felt that same vibration on the shark I caught. Once you tweak a stock stand, it will be more malleable and bend again. I just know the big Senators I fish, don't have tweaked stands and the weakest link is me. ;)
I suggest frame as I know of the frame twist that happen and most are due to locking the drag beyond tight and maxing the reel out. With the upgraded drag options now it will be even easy to do.
With the running cost of a 10/0 or 12/0 in excellent shape is pretty high as is now. However, adding up the math of buying these side plates, possible frame, drag inserts, handle, gear sleeve and spare stock Penn parts to complete the reel, it will turn out pretty close to buying a build stock one. You will end up with a far stronger and cutom reel in the end however.
FRAME and PLATES ! ! !
Also, let me throw THIS into the discussion . . .
Remember back when ACCURATE made "MAGNUM" versions of PENN sideplates and spools ? An example was a "magnum" SQUIDDER that used the Drive Mechanism from either a 3/0 or a 4/0 . . . LOTS more POWER and DRAG ! ! !
WELL, how about 12/0 sideplates and a spool that will accommodate a 14/0 Drive Mechanism ???
Quote from: ez2cdave on June 08, 2015, 09:10:24 PM
FRAME and PLATES ! ! !
Also, let me throw THIS into the discussion . . .
Remember back when ACCURATE made "MAGNUM" versions of PENN sideplates and spools ? An example was a "magnum" SQUIDDER that used the Drive Mechanism from either a 3/0 or a 4/0 . . . LOTS more POWER and DRAG ! ! !
WELL, how about 12/0 sideplates and a spool that will accommodate a 14/0 Drive Mechanism ???
That would be pretty cool, but cost would definately go up, as a new bridge and gear set would he needed. Also, the drag range isn't going to change mych between the 12 and 14 w/the inserts.
So..maybe not all that practical..
though financial practicality has been overcome in the past (with money).
12/0!
In that price range, yes, I would be willing to commit to a set of plates (Silver) for my 12/0, please & thank you.
I would love to a see a 12/0 frame too.
And another vote for 9/0 plates.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on June 04, 2015, 04:47:03 AM
John, I have seen a 600 lb Hammer caught from shore on a stock 12/0, and I don't see the flex you are talking about.
I am sure it is, but when the fight was over, that reel looked flawless. I caught my scalloped hammer on that same reel just a few weeks ago and it hadn't even been serviced!
Probably a 175 lb fish. I locked it down and got it over. I know now why John was yelling so loudly as he fought his.
It was three times and then some heavier than mine. I know the reel could use a stand upgrade, but I think the problem lies in people tightening down the reel to the rod and distorting the stand.
I think the bars are a great idea. I want a frame as badly as everyone else, but this is going to be a challenge, since there is no prototype for reference.
Just to be specific, the reel had been opened.
I took the right side off to inspect everything was kosher and the dragstack was still GtG, slapped it back together and went fishing again, and again, and again.
Hopefully this dragstack will come out and a 12/0 insert will go in. 8)
I think a lot of stand damage is caused by people over tightening their rod brace.
I've seen a few guys who fish harnessed to the lugs without a brace, that sure as heck could bend a stand too.
As for twisting a frame, man I don't want to think what'd take to do that, maybe if really short screws were used in the posts and not tightened down.
But with stainless upgrades and drag inserts, doubling factory drags and whatnot, I could see someone locking it down far enough to do damage.
Would these side plates help heat transfer from the drag better then bake lite? Also I'm not to worried about the stand warping I've seen a 13'1 hammer landed on a 12/0 and that reel looked fine the next day. I pulled the hook on a the biggest bull I've ever seen last night on nassau bridge trying to get him back through the pilings on a 10/0 with my hand dug in the spool a and if that fish didn't warp it with the amount of pressure on the stand I'm not worried about to many other sharks haha.
Also I'll take a 10/0 in blue or silver and another vote for the 9/0
Got a non-member who would like two sets of plates for 12/0s. He'd also be interested in 12/0 frames.
I don't own any 10/0s, but would love two sets of green 9/0 plates to go with my silver Dom/Tom frames... :)
~A~
Basically, and in only my opinion --
We can really modify and overthink possibilities, sometimes...
In the big Senators -- it breaks down pretty simply...the 10/0 is a narrow 12/0.
And the 14/0 is a narrow 16/0.
These are all superb reels as is -- offering a great range of applications.
Then we have the beefed up 9/0s -- which are great.
Even our market for sideplates and frames is limited -- when we throw in 14 innards into a 12 reel -- I do not believe there would be much call for that -- except on a very limited basis.
Sideplates and frames for the big boys would be fantastic -- along with SS guts and versa drag type systems.
Anything outside of that would be personal preference and experimentation -- and very limited in application.
I am thankful for those on this board who are willing to bring these great products to us. We will look back in later years...and realize what a special time this really is.
Just my opinions.
Best,
Fred
i would but a red 12/0 frame with a pair of black side plates --- Sean
I would be in for a set of the 10/0-12/0 plates in black...........and another vote for 9/0 plates
........if a frame was offered I would also opt for one for both 10/0 & 12/0
Quote from: ChileRelleno on July 10, 2015, 02:24:43 PM
Got a non-member who would like two sets of plates for 12/0s. He'd also be interested in 12/0 frames.
Thanks Chile. I finally signed up and got approved. I'd be in for two sets. One in silver one in black. Possibly a third left unfinished to get anodized purple.
Will they be double dog ready?
Quote from: Lowprofile on July 19, 2015, 03:26:26 PM
Quote from: ChileRelleno on July 10, 2015, 02:24:43 PM
Got a non-member who would like two sets of plates for 12/0s. He'd also be interested in 12/0 frames.
Thanks Chile. I finally signed up and got approved. I'd be in for two sets. One in silver one in black. Possibly a third left unfinished to get anodized purple.
Will they be double dog ready?
They will be.
Quote from: Black Pearl on July 19, 2015, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: Lowprofile on July 19, 2015, 03:26:26 PM
Quote from: ChileRelleno on July 10, 2015, 02:24:43 PM
Got a non-member who would like two sets of plates for 12/0s. He'd also be interested in 12/0 frames.
Thanks Chile. I finally signed up and got approved. I'd be in for two sets. One in silver one in black. Possibly a third left unfinished to get anodized purple.
Will they be double dog ready?
They will be.
Awesome. I heard a rumor about some star drags in the works. Didn't see anything on the boards though. I want to get in on those too.
Schweeeeett!
I'll take a 10/O set Alan - either silver or black...
Thanks!
i'll take a set for a 12/0 in silver
Alan, I'll take a 10/O set - either silver or black...
Thanks!
steve
Quote from: ChileRelleno on June 16, 2015, 03:39:43 PMI think a lot of stand damage is caused by people over tightening their rod brace.
I've seen a few guys who fish harnessed to the lugs without a brace, that sure as heck could bend a stand too.
As for twisting a frame, man I don't want to think what'd take to do that, maybe if really short screws were used in the posts and not tightened down.
But with stainless upgrades and drag inserts, doubling factory drags and whatnot, I could see someone locking it down far enough to do damage.
That is an EXCELLENT point . . .
It would be a MINOR modification to convert the 12/0 over to DOUBLE ROD BRACES, like the 14/0 & 16/0 have !
Something like that would be GREAT with the increased Drag capability and would protect the Reel Seat against FLEXING . . .
Thoughts ???
I'm in for a set of each!!!!
Frames for these would be soooooo nice!!!!!!! I would take at least a couple of each.
Alan, I'd like a silver set for a 10/0, thanks.
A 9/0 and a 10/0 set in black, green or silver would be nice
how is this looking? I'm about to take another trip for around 45 days and not sure if ill have access to the internet or not, so just want to see if I should set something up for payment or if its going to be awhile.
We will start the drawing and measurement stages. I am hoping that we will have a sample set in about 3 weeks.
Quote from: Black Pearl on August 15, 2015, 07:49:39 PM
We will start the drawing and measurement stages. I am hoping that we will have a sample set in about 3 weeks.
It would be a MINOR modification to convert a 12/0 over to DOUBLE ROD BRACES, like the 14/0 & 16/0 have . . .
Something like that would be GREAT with the increased Drag capability and would protect the Reel Seat against FLEXING . . .
Put me down for a 10/0 & 12/0.........not anodized.
Thanks
Bump for updates.
Quote from: Lowprofile on October 02, 2015, 10:39:16 AM
Bump for updates.
I am still waiting for the price from my resource. I should have it by end of next week. If the price is OK, that it will be in production.
Quote from: ez2cdave on August 16, 2015, 12:13:20 AM
Quote from: Black Pearl on August 15, 2015, 07:49:39 PM
We will start the drawing and measurement stages. I am hoping that we will have a sample set in about 3 weeks.
It would be a MINOR modification to convert a 12/0 over to DOUBLE ROD BRACES, like the 14/0 & 16/0 have . . .
Something like that would be GREAT with the increased Drag capability and would protect the Reel Seat against FLEXING . . .
A little late in the game to be adding suggestions here but my thought was producing it with the csn ability for double dogs, and the second thought was make it work with Cal's aftermarket Penn 80 International aluminum bases. Some custom aluminum bars instead of the double posts would be great as well.
Just some thoughts.
We discussed some of these options earlier, at the very beginning. Alan wants to take it one step at a time, so things don't get out of hand....I don't blame him.
Originally, I requested the complete kit: plates, frame and spool for this reel.
Alan, mentioned that it would be too costly.
I said to put it out there and see who's interested, I know I am.
I believe the new right side plate will have a cutout for the second dog.
lets take this one step at a time, having additional custom parts for this reel that could be swapped with stock, will help many making decisions on how far they want to take it.
I'm hoping these plates will happen, the other parts could be worked out afterwards.
any updates? think we'll see these by Christmas? :D
I was talking to a buddy about these the other night and we thought it would be funny to get one anodized gold.
Quote from: Lowprofile on October 26, 2015, 11:45:11 PM
any updates? think we'll see these by Christmas? :D
I was talking to a buddy about these the other night and we thought it would be funny to get one anodized gold.
The cost is very high for that sideplate, but I am working with the factory to try to lower the cost.
Hi,
After trying to ask them lower the price, the factory insisted that it is the lower they can do.
All materials price are going up.
Therefore, the price for a set is $185.00 + $5.85 shipping.
If this will work for you, let me know. I will need at least 50 sets sold before I can start production.
may be interested...have to made any yet? Just want to see one really...sounds badass!
Chui,
I noticed you changed the first post to reflect the current cost hike.
I would be in for two sets, but the original price was $75 less.
I don't mean to sound condescending, but it is what it is.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 02, 2015, 06:29:57 AM
Chui,
I noticed you changed the first post to reflect the current cost hike.
I can understand, but at that price, I doubt you will get 50 orders.
I would be in for two sets, but the original price was $75 less.
I know how it works, but I really don't see the need to mislead the members that were waiting for these.
I don't mean to sound condescending, but it is what it is.
Yes, I wanted to sell it as cheap as I can. The factory came back and told me that those a big side plates, and there is no way it can be make less than $150.00.
Like you said, it is what it is. Maybe Tom can make it cheaper.
Hopefully enough people will order to make this Happen.
I'm in for two sets.
Bump
With the price increase. Is anybody still willing besides me?
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 09, 2015, 04:27:45 AM
Bump
With the price increase. Is anybody still willing besides me?
We can put this on hold because my other resourcer told me that he will make it cheaper, but it has to wait until his other projects are done first.
I may be interested fter the holiday is over...Vegas this weekend and christmas in two weeks, I'm strugglin lol
This project is on hold until the "SN" (Super Narrow) 4/0 sample is done. I will lock this thread for now.