Upgrading a 501 JM to Tib frame, Black Pearl gear set, including a double dog bridge, and a stainless sleeve and CT's from Dawn.
When everything is assembled, it seems to be working correctly, however the pinion and main gears don't seem to mesh correctly, and the spool will turn in both directions, even though the dogs are clicking. I can stop the pinion from turning just by putting a finger on it while cranking the handle. I have tried various configurations, pionions, spacer sleeves, tension washer etc. but nothing is working.
I'm, stumped!
I have messed up every way imaginable. No worries. Anything can be fixed. Put it in gear. You can always stop the pinion with the drags backed off or the free spool on. The gears never mesh properly without the spool shaft in there. If the gears are loud try valve lapping compound. A little goes a long way and clean it off real good or it'll keep cutting when you're cranking in a fish. Dishwasher works well. You made a lot of changes with a lot of new parts. Try replacing the old parts one by one till you find the culprit. New parts always have to make friends with their dancing partners.
akadashoe when you turn the handle and the pinion turns that means the gears are meshing. If they weren't the pinion would not turn. Have you checked if the pinion slips easily over the lug on the spool? Are you sure the drag stack is installed correctly or not partly slipped out of the main gear? It seems like a possible incorrect assembly.
Is the pinion gear on backwards?
Is the pinion gear on backwards?
That would do it...
Most common issue from the symptoms you are experiencing.
Easy to do by accident.
Best,
Fred
Which valve lapping compound do you use? I want to use as fine as possible would be my preference.
Guys,
Thanks for the replies.
I have an identical reel I am using for reference purposes, however it has a stock stack and gear/sleeve assembly.
I have tried putting the pinion(s) in both directions, doesn't matter.
I have removed and checked the stack assembly, ( i.e. ct under main gear, inside stack: ct, keyed, ct, eared, ct, keyed, tension spring, no tension spring) several times. Does not matter if the tension spring is on or off.
I have tried using both the stock spacing sleeve, and the beefed up sleeve that came with the gear kit, no help.
When the spool is in, the gears don't mesh at all, and the spool won't turn while the handle is cranked.
When the spool is out, the gears will mesh only occasionally while the handle is turned.
With the stock gear/sleeve/pinion assemblies, it works fine.
Shoe
One other thing, I'm going to try a different sideplate next, and if that doesn't work, there will be a cheap gear set up for sale. :D
Is it the 5:1 gear set? I noticed you said you switched pinions. the black Pearl gears are helical cut and so is the pinion. A regular pinion won't work. I've ran into the same issue with one of mine. The pinion was too sloppy on the spool to mesh properly.
Correct Hunter, it's the 5:1 gear set.
I used both the pinion that came with the kit, and the original pinion.
They look very similar.
What I did notice however, was that when I installed the pinion and turned the handle it rattled around quite a bit, something my other reel doesn't do.
Something is amiss, I just need to figure out what.
Could the gear set be for a 505?
Keta,
The kit I bought was $55 (for 500/501)
The 505 kit is $60.
I suppose they could have sent me the wrong set.
How would I tell the difference? ???
Shoe
I don't have a 505 pinion to look at but I think you could measure the pinion ID.
Check the play on the spool shaft with the pinion on it too.
If the spool is going both directions there is a good chance you've installed the wrong pinion.
To check this out, remove the spool from the reel and see if the pinion slides all the way up on the spool shaft.
The 505 pinion has a smaller notch by the reinforced ring than the 500, the ID is also smaller... that would do it.
Ahhhhhh, now we're getting somewhere! ;D
If I installed the wrong pinion, they sent me the wrong set.
Not necessarily, when you order two different sets, it's very easy to mix the two pinion.
I only ordered the one set.
I also tried the pinion that was existing in the reel before I made the switch, and it wouldn't work either.
I'll check this out a.s.a.p.
Black Pearl, any advice for me?
Sorry, I thought you ordered two sets. Still a good idea to do a little test as I mentioned above and see if the pinion slides all the way up with little effort.
No worries Sal.
I wish I could afford upgrading ALL my reels :D
I'd like to get this bad boy finished before Father's day and surprise the 'ol man.
I'll definitely try the sliding pinion when I get home.
Thanks guys, you rock!
Quote from: akadashoe on June 08, 2015, 10:14:20 PM
I only ordered the one set.
I also tried the pinion that was existing in the reel before I made the switch, and it wouldn't work either.
I'll check this out a.s.a.p.
Black Pearl, any advice for me?
Can you post a picture of the gear set I sent you? Did you buy is from my Ebay store or the online store? Any your name. I want to check your invoice.
I am wondering if you have the custom (main gear milled down 1mm deeper) gear set.
Thanks,
--Alan
PM sent, thanks!
Here is the updated. Akadashoe reached out to me, and we were able to identified the problem he was having.
Since my Jigmaster 500/501 5:1 gear set has a smaller OD pinion gear, it will fit the stock spool shaft. He has the Tib spool. It is a known issue that my Jigmaster 500/501 5:1 pinion will not slid all the way in the Tib spool shaft.
Akadashoe is going to reach out to Sal for other alternative.
BTW... a remindee...they work great with the anaversity spools.
The tib spools just need a little sanding from a emery cloth and they slide through the pinioins great.
Update to the update:
It seems as if I had the incorrect star installed on the reel, and also had a couple of less-than-flat steel washers in the stack.
Thanks for the assistance Alan and Sal.
Live....and learn!