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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: jbackos on August 03, 2015, 01:01:17 PM

Title: 114H problem with free spool engagement/disengagement
Post by: jbackos on August 03, 2015, 01:01:17 PM
All,

I am in the process of upgrading a 114H with SS gears, sleeve, dog, and yoke and Bryan's 7+1 drag. The problem I am having is as follows:

When the right side plate is assembled, the free spool lever does not want to flip fully forward and it feels liek it is binding somewhere. If I hold the pinion gear down with my thumb, then the lever clicks forward easily. Also the eccentric jack seems gouged on the two surfaces which slide over the yoke. I have ordered a new eccentric jack.

Am I on the right path here or could this be due to something else. All other clearances seem fine.

Any info would be appreciated.
Title: Re: 114H problem with free spool engagement/disengagement
Post by: RowdyW on August 03, 2015, 01:11:23 PM
It sounds like you are on the right track but maybe also replace the yoke. When installing the yoke make sure that the side with the more rounded edge is the leading edge that the jack ramps up on.     RUDY
Title: Re: 114H problem with free spool engagement/disengagement
Post by: Bill B on August 03, 2015, 05:12:53 PM
Make sure your bridge screws are in the right place...the screws with threads at bottom go through the yoke and jack, the fully threaded screws hold the dog an.  If you reverse them the yoke and jack will bind on the fully threaded screws....
Title: Re: 114H problem with free spool engagement/disengagement
Post by: Dominick on August 03, 2015, 05:26:11 PM
All good advice.  Report back and let us know what you find.  Dominick
Title: Re: 114H problem with free spool engagement/disengagement
Post by: handi2 on August 04, 2015, 12:14:12 AM
When you have the right side assembled the pinion will line up much better when the spool is in place and the rest of the reel put together. When you get the new parts try that first.

The clutch lever should move with no binding when just the right side is put together.
Title: Re: 114H problem with free spool engagement/disengagement
Post by: Alto Mare on August 04, 2015, 12:40:49 AM
Here is what has been working out for me.
We all know the point of contact with the Jack and Yoke
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/011_19.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/011_19.jpg.html)
Here is a stock Jack
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/003_31.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/003_31.jpg.html)
and here is that same Jack after i've sanded the tabs
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/007_23.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/007_23.jpg.html)
I do not like to use files, I use wet and dry sandpaper in fine grit. I'll hit the tabs where marked with the red arrows and try to get them as rounded as possible
I will also hit the yoke at point of contact...red arrows
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/005_24.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/005_24.jpg.html)
This only takes a couple of minutes and it does wonders for the clutch.
Make sure the stamped side is always facing up, as i'm showing above.
You would want this side I'm showing below facing down
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/004_28.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/004_28.jpg.html)
Sal
Title: Re: 114H problem with free spool engagement/disengagement
Post by: jbackos on August 04, 2015, 05:28:43 PM
I tweaked the eccentric tabs a bit and it now works, but I have a new jack being shipped anyway.
Title: Re: 114H problem with free spool engagement/disengagement
Post by: Alto Mare on August 04, 2015, 05:45:54 PM
The jack I  showed you above was brand new. I do the same to all my reels except on the custom ss jack and yoke from Black Pearl, those are already rounded.
Title: Re: 114H problem with free spool engagement/disengagement
Post by: jbackos on August 05, 2015, 12:25:39 AM
Alto,

Is the SS jack available for sale?

Thanks,

John
Title: Re: 114H problem with free spool engagement/disengagement
Post by: Alto Mare on August 05, 2015, 12:50:01 AM
No John, not yet. I'm sure one day, but not now.