Mornin men! 'ol dummy here again! (once you feed an old dog he always returns!) I have a jigmaster 500s that the right side plate rings will NOT quite line up! They start fine, turns, but won't turn all the way! It likes about 1/8" lining up with mounting screw.It's not dirty, doesnt seem to be bent, just wont turn far enough, I've tried with or without grease, even used my rubber mallet a little.Please help before I smash it with my hammer! lol Have any of you'll had this problem? Should I just get another ring?
As I look at the pic, I believe you have a stock jigmaster. Look at the part # on the ring. It says 2-250n. I was told by an Ebay'er that they fit jigmasters. As you see they work, but barely. That is the surfmaster 250 ring I think.
If you lift the screw up as you turn with a grippy rag or rubber jar grip, you can get them back together.
I have brand new ones, (2-250n's), sitting in my stash for that reason. I hate fighting that sideplate, and won't. The right part # is 2-500s if it was indeed a 500s. I just looked on mine.
If it is a regular 500, the part # is 2-250. No 'N'. Many of mine have no # marking on them at all.
If I had an extra I'd give it to you, I understand the frustration.
We agree. The part # is 2-250.
I have both ring styles in hand. I do not have any Surfmaster 250's to take apart to confirm what I was told by the (unnamed ;D) Ebay dealer. Their description says it may be a tight fit(in a 500), in so many words.
Penn as far as I know doesn't make a SurfMaster 250 but I could be wrong ??? Try doing what MeL B suggested in his first post about leaving all screws loose and adjust the plate.
Joe
i found the original ring I will put on it in a little while and I will let the world know!
Um... I'm a bit puzzled here. The 500 'S' Jigmaster has the mounting screw on the tail plate, not the handle side. The photo above shows a standard 500 handle-side ring... ???
That said, I have run into this exact same problem before. Sometimes a bit of grease and determination can solve it, but other times it's just a no go. Seems to me I read somewhere that older rings occasionally don't line up with newer plates, vice versa, etc. It can be pretty frustrating. :P
I've got a leftover ring which I'd be happy to send you if you would like to try it. Not new, but maybe it would fit? Let me know if you're interested. :)
~A~
Joe, do an Ebay search and you can buy one. 8)
Mel, look at the first pic. See the number? Optical illusion? ;D
Quote from: Rancanfish on September 02, 2015, 02:53:13 PM
Joe, do an Ebay search and you can buy one. 8)
That's nice But I haven't heard of a Surfmaster 250 before and I was wrong I guess :-[ I stay away from sleaze bag e-bay.
Ureka!!! Your right ran! A 250n does not work, the 2-250 ring works fine! Thanx to all! And thanx for the offer Aiala! Now the world is a better place!
case closed!
Glad it worked out and I could finally help someone else!
The jigmaster is my favorite reel, I have 14 of them. 500s, Accurate 501's and 506's, Accurate and Tiburon 500, and 'plain' 501's and 506's. And one full Accurate 501 from Vintage Offshore Randy.
Funny thing, I just looked to see what gears I had in the Tiburon 500 and had a booger of a time getting it open. Guess what? 2-250n ring!!!!! Darn it, now I have to work on another reel.
hi randy i worked on 2 jigmasters today, thanks to your posting i had a nice day, i also was tired of fighting with those rings, filing the slots deeper so they would fit , but unfortunately the chrome would come off, so today before i assembled the ring on the right sideplate, i pryed off the inner ring and made sure it spun around so the thumb screw would screw into the hole, then inserted it back into the outer ring using my calipers to align the holes, no fighting, it was a nice day, thanks for the heads up, you made my day and future days. harryk
randy, also for some reason the 29m-250 spool wouldn't work properly in the jigmaster i built, i had to use a plastic 500 spool and it worked fine. penn did make a surfmaster 250 '' reel 224 ''
Glad it was helpful Harry. Good to see you keeping on those reels!
Not sure what you mean by the spool wouldn't work properly? I have always had good luck with the chrome spools.
I suppose many people in need of shiny used rings go to fleabay, where they purchase a 250n thinking it would fit a jigmaster.
14 jigmasters huh Mr. randy? I've been an abu fan for over 40 years i guess but allways had a couple of 500's layin around but never used them, so I found this place while back and it was on! I got the fever perty bad! I know have 2 tib's, 2 accurates, 3 newells! haha and these were purchased/built in the last year! I'm very in love with my penns! Some have to have the drink,some women, me?....let me play with my penns! I just now discovered "skinny" penns! The little humped up bobcat looking thangs! Randy do you cast your's?
Quote from: reelrepair123 on September 02, 2015, 09:35:38 PM
randy, also for some reason the 29m-250 spool wouldn't work properly in the jigmaster i built, i had to use a plastic 500 spool and it worked fine. penn did make a surfmaster 250 '' reel 224 ''
Thanks.
randy, with the 250 chrome spool it sounded like a meat grinder, it wasn't smooth, seemed like there was no side to side play, the plastic 500 spool was smooth and it had alot of side play , i was able to adjust the tension with the sideplate bearing
I thought I would open this up again because fishhawk Pm'ed me with the same issue with a new ring. Though I'm flattered any one asks for my opinion, I just don't have the high volume experience.
Any guru's reading this please pitch in with hints on re-assembly of the side plates for these Jigmasters.
I have taken apart and reassembled these things probably 50 times doing upgrades to drags, gear sleeves, gears, chrome bridges, handles, etc. I've replaced rings, sideplates and narrowed a dozen.
However, if you look at the time I've been active here, you will see I have way less experience than the real reel wizards. Alan,Bryan,Fred,John T.,Sal, etc.
So how about it, any more hints to help Mark? (It seems there is an issue with another ring).
Are there specific parts to persue and/or avoid to make life easy when reassembling Take apart reels? I put my opinion out there.....and Aiala too, and she pretty much covered it I think, but still. I took apart two random JM's this morning, one was easy, the other a slight struggle. I don't see any obvious difference.
Bless you guys...you just solved something that had me incredibly frustrated with a customers 500S reel recently. I was swearing like a sailor fighting with the darned thing. Just a hair off alignment so that it wouldn't lock in.
Now I have to check our inventory and look at those rings for the part stamps to see what we actually have and make some notes online! I'll wager some of our 2-250's have 250N's on them....
I'm really surprised that we'd never run into this before last month.
QuoteI have brand new ones, (2-250n's), sitting in my stash for that reason. I hate fighting that sideplate, and won't. The right part # is 2-500s if it was indeed a 500s. I just looked on mine.
If it is a regular 500, the part # is 2-250. No 'N'. Many of mine have no # marking on them at all.
If I had an extra I'd give it to you, I understand the frustration.
Brings a smile to know I helped YOU Maureen. ;D
Always learning something new, lol. Otherwise..yer just dead ;)
I guess the simple reason we never noticed this was because we never had anyone try to stick a 2-250N on a 500S before.
The schematics for the 500S do say 2-500S like they should.
The 2-250N works fine on the regular 500 jigmasters...we sell a ton of those with no issues at all.
It just never registered when I was fighting with it that the wrong ring was on there. Sigh.
Quote from: mizmo67 on September 16, 2015, 06:21:41 PM
Always learning something new, lol. Otherwise..yer just dead ;)
Or dead wrong... :D Dominick
lol...i've tried 2 different sets and still only one that works is my beat up original! Going to remedy my situation with my dremel tool! HaHa!
For Maureen, another example.
I just picked up a couple Jigmasters from a member here. They are both from the black side plate era, (when ever). They both have unmarked rings. They both go together and 'take apart' like butter.
I have had a Tiburon framed 500 sitting on my work table for awhile, (since the thread was lively), because the darn thing is next to impossible to get together. It has the 2-250n ring. Just a fact being stated.
I put one of the sideplates from the 501, on the Tib one, and it did go together with a little oomph of a twist. The Tib sideplate went right on the 501 also, too. Makes no sense to me. I cannot reassemble the Tiburon frame reel at all, using it's original side plate with out risking damage. My solution is to swap sideplates. Tada! They both work fine. I cannot call this a fix obviously.
If I didn't have a bunch of Jigmasters to play swap meet with I would be out of luck. (Or contacting you for parts).
HAD THE SAME PROBLEM , MINE LINED UP AND TURNED BUT I STILLED NEEDED TO TURN ABOUT ANOTHER 1/16 OF AN INCHED TO LOCK THE SCREW IN .I MADE THE NEW RINGS WORK BY OPENING THE END OF THE SLOT JUST A LITTLE WIDER WITH MY DREMEL.
Just to be clear, if we describe the slot as an 'L' shape, are you widening the short leg?
Far end of the long leg
When combining old rings with newer ones, you will always run into that problem. I will usually drill the tip of the slot with a 3/32 bit, by tilting the bit a little. Don't worry about drilling through the outer ring, that one is pretty thick.
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Sal
Thanx, I'm sure many people will be glad to hear this!
OK, last post about this. IMHO the 2-250N ring is NEVER the right part for me.
I did use Sal's suggestion and it did nothing in my case. The side plate goes on until about a 1/16th of an inch remains from a fully seated position. Just pushed in only, not twisting yet.
The side plate then becomes a press fit. The O.D. of the side plate ring is ever so slightly larger than the I.D. of the mounting ring. This is the exact statement an online dealer made that I reported in an earlier post.
It will work, but it is no longer an easy 'take apart' feature. (Some may consider that a good thing).
EDIT: As I used a large towel to try to twist this together, the stress chipped a piece of the sideplate off. I rest my case. 8)
My Turn
Yes it's heavy handed but worked for me. Tale a file & take 2 strokes on all 3 pins on the side plate. Take 1 more if needed & try again. So on. be gentle. OR tap the 3 Pins in little by little.
Mike
Maybe you didn't drill far enough :-\.
Sal had suggested the 3/32 drill bit procedure to me quite some time ago. It worked for me.
.....................lou