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Title: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: fishhawk on September 09, 2015, 12:25:14 AM
Hey, another prob with my new-born passion! lol..this is a 505 w/ accurate plates n frame if that matters, but reel is smooth as butter when I have the spool tension  backed out a little, but you can feel a little resistance whenever I have to tighten on spool adjuster?????
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: RowdyW on September 09, 2015, 12:33:45 AM
The bearing should be adjusted to have a slight bit of side to side play. Never tighten it so there is no play. It is not a casting adjustment.
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: Rancanfish on September 09, 2015, 12:41:45 AM
What rowdy said.  Push/pull the spool back and forth sideways and adjust the slop out, while still allowing free spooling ease.
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: fishhawk on September 09, 2015, 12:45:38 AM
reel is too fast,I hate doing it but if not tightened fully, youre not going to throw it
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: Keta on September 09, 2015, 12:50:05 AM
It's not a cast control and you will damage the bearing or spool shaft is you use it as one.
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: RowdyW on September 09, 2015, 01:20:01 AM
It's old school, your thumb is the cast control. If you need cast control you will have to buy a reel with a brake control or magnetic control. A jigmaster has neither. Bearings should have no side load at all. The spool should have a few thousands side to side play NOT 0 side play.
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: fishhawk on September 09, 2015, 12:03:23 PM
but why does it make handle harder to turn?
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: RowdyW on September 09, 2015, 12:09:41 PM
Because you are jamming the bearings with a side load. If you insist on jamming the spool with a side load you will have to try to adapt your reel to use tapered bearings or redial bearings. Good luck with that!
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: fishhawk on September 09, 2015, 01:04:08 PM
I go from 0 spin to full spin with only a 1/4" turn of adjustment, is that normal? The bearing adjustment screw is nearly 1/4" inside the plate, is that normal?
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: RowdyW on September 09, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
yes
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: fishhawk on September 09, 2015, 01:13:57 PM
A magging I will go! Thanx
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: foakes on September 09, 2015, 01:25:18 PM
Hi fishhawk --

The method for adjusting the bearing screw for me, is just --

Tighten the bearing screw until snug --

Back it out a little --

I am looking for the maximum smooth free spool operation -- with the least amount of lateral side play in the spool.

Generally only 1/8th to 1/4 outward turn achieves this on new bearings --

Be gentle if jamming/tightening the bearings too hard against the spool ends -- damage could occur.

The bearings are there to hold the spool in place for maximum free spool spin -- nothing more should be asked of them.

This is how we all learn -- one question at a time.

Thanks for your question -- and maybe you could post some pics -- it helps everyone to see your project.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: fishhawk on September 09, 2015, 01:32:57 PM
Thank-you Fred, But I have several jigmasters and ambassadeurs plus am 60 yrs old so I've been around awhile. This particular reel is decked out to the max! ( drags,gears, stainless,accurate plates n frame) and this one is different (too much free-spool) just wondering why???? Sho is a perty dog not to hunt!
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: RowdyW on September 09, 2015, 01:47:21 PM
Try packing the bearings with the heaviest marine grease or marine wheel bearing grease you can find. That should slow it down a bit.
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: fishhawk on September 09, 2015, 01:58:49 PM
i'm running stp in it, dont know of anythin thicker!
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: Keta on September 09, 2015, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on September 09, 2015, 01:47:21 PM
Try packing the bearings with the heaviest marine grease or marine wheel bearing grease you can find. That should slow it down a bit.

You beat me to this.
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: fishhawk on September 09, 2015, 02:00:52 PM
lol, been around a-while!
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: RowdyW on September 09, 2015, 02:48:04 PM
STP is way to slick. You need grease not oil. Clean out the bearings & pack them with a heavy marine grease. You just seem to want to do it your way. You ask for advice but you want to do it your way anyway. Why do you ask for advice?? ??? The people on this forum are here to help people that want help not to bicker with someone who just wants to throw up problems & doesn't really want help, only attention. You've gotten remedies but you don't want to try them. How about trying to cast it with the drag on, that should really slow it down. ;D ;D
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: fishhawk on September 09, 2015, 03:06:48 PM
who said I wasn't going to take your advice???? I would like to have heard something a little more in depth, like maybe a worn spool shaft, wrong spool,wrong bearing cup, etc.But by no means would I be "closed doors" to any advice!
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: Keta on September 09, 2015, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: fishhawk on September 09, 2015, 03:06:48 PM
who said I wasn't going to take your advice???? I would like to have heard something a little more in depth, like maybe a worn spool shaft, wrong spool,wrong bearing cup, etc.But by no means would I be "closed doors" to any advice!

Marine grease will slow it down.  As for "in depth" the problem is not mechanical. 

Grease the bearings, reassemble with bearing cup backed out, tighten bearing cup until you feel some resistance when turning the spool, back of a tiny bit then check spool sideplay.
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: MarkT on September 09, 2015, 05:07:24 PM
You trick out Jigmasters with accuframe and plates with bearings to achieve what you have!  Now you want to pack those nice bearings with grease to slow it way down to below a standard jigmaster?  Just sell it and get a standard version!
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: Keta on September 09, 2015, 05:10:46 PM
Quote from: MarkT on September 09, 2015, 05:07:24 PM
You trick out Jigmasters with accuframe and plates with bearings to achieve what you have!  Now you want to pack those nice bearings with grease to slow it way down to below a standard jigmaster?  Just sell it and get a standard version!

The upgrades also are nice if you do not need or want good freespool.  I have a few "detuned" for loners too.
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: steelfish on September 09, 2015, 05:25:34 PM
Then thumb cast control is your only option, other than magg it.

Try put the thumb on the lip of the spool not directly on the line.
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: fishhawk on September 09, 2015, 07:15:46 PM
Do the bearings come out of there cups? I got one out, but the other seems stuck, if and when I get bearings out  will remove the shields and pack them with heavy grease then mag it.
thanks
Title: Re: jigmaster gets harder to turn when the left side spool bearing is fully tightene
Post by: MarkT on September 09, 2015, 07:22:20 PM
Probably won't need to mag after you pack it with grease.  It'll be pretty slow.