I read with interest the 30W thread and the 50T thread, great info there guys! I am currently servicing my 50TW and have it apart on the bench. Couple of issues I'd like advise on -
1. the bearings feel worn and a bit grainy when turned by finger, what is the best option for replacement? I have found them online for a variety of prices but I do not have the experience here to decide.
2. the drag washer looks ok, should be fine to leave it but I'd like to grease it first as per the other 2 tutorials. Which grease to use?
3. I would like to make a bearing sleeve, does anyone have the specs for one to fit this reel? I have brass stock and a lathe so I could do it that way.
I can post up pics if anyone is interested. Thanks!
if you can feel the bearings then i am sure they are bad. most replacement bearings are made with plastic seals and cages if you plan on keeping the reel then spend a little more on the bearings. as for the sleeve a drill press and a file will work fine, since you are using brass. mark it and cut it long then file fit. if you can get stainless then make use of that lathe by all means.
yeah, dump the old bearings and get new ones. check the dimensions and you will probaby find them a smoothdrag.com or bocabearings.com. i probably have them as well. for the drag washer, as long as you have a woven fiber type, just clean it up and grease it. if it is a "car disc brake" type, order a new one from mysticparts.com. mystcparts will also have cal's grease and bearings. it's just that their shipping costs are a little higher. for the bearing sleeve, go with brass. it's tons easier to work with. for the little pressure that they are under, you could actually use plastic. please keep us posted. alan
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
thanks guys. I just took a better look at the bearings, the one in the left face plate is fine, the 2 on the shaft are grainy and the third in the right plate is actually frozen solid. I'll order up replacements and come back with results on the bearing sleeve later (am waiting on parts to fix the lathe too!)
what kind of drag washer do you have?
drag washer -
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/islandshark633/Reel%20Rebuild/dragwasher1.jpg)
plate with slight scoring, not deep enough to feel with my finger -
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/islandshark633/Reel%20Rebuild/dragplate.jpg)
youll need some cal's to grease that drag, load it on and wipe off the excess.
the reel looks to be in excellent shape for an old tw. i agree, grease the drag and you should be fine. thanks for the photos!
bearings are ordered, the lathe is finally fixed so I'll post back after its all here and I have a go at the bearing sleeve.
Alan do you or anyone have a thread about making a bearing sleeve for this reel? I finally am ready to build it back. Thank you.
Bahamalure: Check out this thread. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=137.0 That thread will show you how to make a bearing sleeve. You don't need to change the drag, that is the carbon tech drag. It looks new. The plate is fine don't rough it up by doing anything but polishing it with chrome polish so that you will have a smooth drag. Dominick
thank you Dominick, that was the thread I wanted. Here are some pics of the results.
I made the sleeve out of aluminum tube, that's all I had. Took 3 tries to make one that was not too short, this one did as Alan described in the 30SW thread, it JUST put pressure on the opposite bearing without moving it.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/islandshark633/Reel%20Rebuild/BearingSleeve.jpg)
Drag plate all polished up, hopefully it is not too smooth
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/islandshark633/Reel%20Rebuild/Polisheddragplate.jpg)
Finished reel, note the screw still on the bench... :o
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/islandshark633/Reel%20Rebuild/Done.jpg)
This little fellow was staring at me the entire time of the rebuild, mocking me to find where it goes in the reel. Darned if I could figure it out.... anyone have thoughts on this rascal? I can not find it on the schematic either. The reel appears to be functioning fine without it.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/islandshark633/Reel%20Rebuild/Screw.jpg)
That almost looks like a screw for the clicker "spring". ??? Are you sure it wasn't on the bench before you started? ::)
Quote from: norcal pescador on September 19, 2011, 02:11:25 PM
That almost looks like a screw for the clicker "spring". ??? Are you sure it wasn't on the bench before you started? ::)
I don;t think that is off the clicker, I never touched that and it appears to still be all there, I have a loc-nut holding the clicker together. I do not think the screw was there before the reel because I put the reel parts into a tray as they came off. I looked again at the schematic and still do not see such a beast anywhere....? :-\
My mistake! :-[ I should have said the springs that hold the dogs against the pawl. (One screw for each spring.) On the other hand, if the reel works fine, then I'll quit while I'm ahead. ;D
how about a gear retainer screw (key #63A)?
https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/50tw.pdf (https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/50tw.pdf)
Looks like we have a bona-fide mystery here.... it is not part of the dog & pawl assembly as I did not disturb that, just cleaned up and lubed it. Also not screw 63A as mine is a single speed reel and the equivalent screws 38B on this diagram are accounted for....
https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/50tw.pdf (https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/50tw.pdf)
I still believe this screw came off the reel from somewhere. When I next have a minute I'll take the spool back off the reel and look again inside for clues, until then the floor is yours gentlemen....
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Kamu, where did that screw come from?
I think I found it - goes behind the main gear and holds the cam housing in place, see Alan's 50T rebuild thread and there is a photo of it. I'll shoot pics when I take it back apart.
looks like the same screw as the quadrant ring. also looks like one of 2 retaining screw's for the cam housing. also they use those screw's to retain the main gear to the side plate.
after a surgery, all the clamps, etc., get counted to make sure that nothing get's left inside the patient. always good to make sure that nothing's missing or left over after surgery.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/5/1_20_09_11_10_53_26.png)
How come no one mentioned spare parts? ;D Dominick
Mystery solved. The screw goes to hold in and I think index the drag cam housing, (part 125 on the diagram but it has no name). see in the photo the housing has a detent in the upper right corner of the photo, this is supposed to go where I am pointing with the screw driver.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/islandshark633/Reel%20Rebuild/screwhole.jpg)
Note the lug holes have now moved I don't know but I would guess having them in the wrong position would change the drag profile?? It was worth keeping track of the parts and taking the time to correct the problem instead of find the drag was all wrong AFTER hooking a fish! Thank you for the help, now on to the Fin-Nor 30W.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/islandshark633/Reel%20Rebuild/screwrightplace.jpg)
with out the screw the cam housing would have turned and cause a loss of free spool great job keep it up.
Hi All! I have two 50TW's apart for a friend, neither one has a bearing sleeve in it. The reels were reported to be "pulsing" under a load. I found spots of blue grease on the drag washers which most likely is run off excess from the bearing housing. Were these reels made without the sleeves or do you think they were removed on purpose?
Barlkey, I noticed the 50tw schematic shows a spool sleeve # 13b. Im almost certain when I serviced my two 50tw reels which were purchased new and no one else touched them, they did not have a spool sleeve either though. You can see the schematic at pennparts website.
Most of them were made without sleeves. Only reels produced late in that models lifetime would have them.
This has nothing at all to do with drag though.
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Ok guys, thank you!