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I keep looking at this EBay insanity. Over $1000 for a Long Beach.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/391267695417?ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1435.l2649
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I was onto it from the beginning. Myself and Superhook advised the seller about it; even offered to purchase it privately; but, the seller was insistent, he was going to put it on EBay. it is a One Off, very rare, clear side plate Long Beach. I was going to make a generous offer of $200. The seller decided he would do better making it public. I was one of the bidders; but, not for long. basically because I refused to play this game. I own enough rare reels to know that once it goes public, it will get crazy, maybe or maybe not. It depends on who gets involved.
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So now I have to say to myself, """"SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!''''. There is a new hot shot in town. A old, beat up, 1930's Penn Long Beach, that may be a result of a drunken afternoon Friday party at the Penn plant in the 1930's with Penn assembly line workers trying to create the most weird reel of the week, has sold for over """ONE LARGE""".
Stranger things have happened; but, not too many of them!!!! :P :P :P :o :o :o
;D
Value is in the EYE of the beholder or BRAIN of the beholder. No doubt a rare example of a Long Beach . Possibly a one of......so far , that we know. When you pay a grand for a Model F or a K you know how many were made and they are a tough find . This is a designer item .....Ha! I can hear you all making funny noises. Okay , clarified as Designed to allow the workings to be seen . I would have liked to own it but it went way passed my estimate and self imposed limit. Good luck to the winner.
I've lost a lot of deals on Ebay bidding 'reasonable' amounts. I'd say the guy was proven pretty smart to put it out there. If it was mine, it would have gone for $16.00. ;D
If you are the winner of that reel, John -- and might need a few parts -- I would be glad to look through some of the old parts I might have.
Glad to donate, if there is a need.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on September 28, 2015, 04:33:02 PM
If you are the winner of that reel, John -- and might need a few parts -- I would be glad to look through some of the old parts I might have.
Glad to donate, if there is a need.
Best,
Fred
No not me.
I appreciate the offer though Fred.
Not sure if this possible one-of-a-kind reel would benefit from a makeover with period correct parts. My suspicionis that the value is already their and messing with any of the visable parts (other then maybe the drag washers and/or under gear or small stuff like a dog spring) might actually hurt it's value. Might he best to keep this one original. Maybe the new owner will take you up on that offer. I know if it were my reel, I would be tempted to send it to Ted to have him throughly go though it, and perform his miracle restoration.
I am pretty sure most anyone who collects old Penns would be proud to have this one in their collection.
You folks think maybe this particular examplel is some kinda tradeshow display item?
I beleive that post WWII Detroit auto makers employed the use of Plexiglas as hoods for their dream cars to showcase the engine.
I believe this was possibly a Trade Show reel; but, more than likely a promotional giveaway, similar to the cutaway reels.
There are some opinions posted here about the purchase and worth of this reel. Seeing that I'm the INSANE ??? person that got it, I figured I would offer mine. Over the years I have been able to acquire a few Penn Reels that, at this time, are the only one known. As a rule they don't come cheap.
When I saw this one I felt it was Very Rare. :o The reel was most likely made in 1938 based on the handle and scene on the tail plate. Also it was most likely made as a salesman sample or display reel so they could show the inner workings of the reel. It's a 77 years old reel and at this point it is the first one to be seen ( that the collectors know about ), to me that's rare. Superhook stated " Value is in the EYE of the beholder or BRAIN of the beholder. No doubt a rare example of a Long Beach . Possibly a one of......so far , that we know. When you pay a grand for a Model F or a K you know how many were made and they are a tough find . " Penn Chronology has stated this about the Model F "There were approximately 1000 of them made in 1932. Then they were sent all over the country. I would estimate about 20 of them accounted for in today's market plus or minus a couple." The last Model F on eBay sold for $1676.01 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Penn-Fishing-Reel-Model-F-/121659905620?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c537ed654&nma=true&si=wk0hd%252F4Tf3TMc4QatB1MtwSwx7A%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
If you look at all of that, I think ( don't ask my wife, she feels I never think :'() this reel was well worth $1009.00. That's my 2 cents ( you could say my 100,900 cents ) on this reel.
From now on just refer to me as "The INSANE One" ;D and everyone will know who you are talking about.
John, you may be right about a makeover of this reel with period correct parts, which I have. The bad part is it looks like that who ever cleaned the corrosion off the chrome used a file or wire brush. At this point the only thing I'm going to do to this reel is clean the inside, replace the free spool lever ( it has to go ) and a couple of really bad screws on the head plate with period correct parts. Will post photos when this is done.
Good call, Brian --
Just clean, service for show, and enjoy your wise acquisition.
If you might get stuck on one or two parts -- let me and the rest of the Board know -- might have what you need to make it period correct with no wrong parts.
N/C if I have anything you need.
On the value --
You have the reel -- and that is everything on a one or two off piece.
As you well know, these rarest of the rare will not only hold their value -- they will go up depending on the buyer and sellers involved.
Ebay is only a small indicator of the market on these rare reels -- although an important resource to consider. Others are trades, casual sales, specialty auctions, collectors needing that "one" last piece to fill a collection -- and so much more.
Clyde Harbin used to say -- "Aint nothin worth nothin, til someone wants to buy it".
With CDs hovering around a one-half % annual return, the market as volatile as it is, funds only yielding 5-6% maybe -- this is a place for wise investors and collectors to look at.
Personally, my opinion is that this reel would be worth twice your purchase price in a very few years.
Welcome!
Best,
Fred
Hello Insane One,
Remember, genius is always considered crazy until it is truly revealed as genius.
Congrats on a great reel.
Not the Insane One
Quote from: Oceanreels on October 15, 2015, 02:38:32 PM
There are some opinions posted here about the purchase and worth of this reel. Seeing that I'm the INSANE ??? person that got it, I figured I would offer mine. Over the years I have been able to acquire a few Penn Reels that, at this time, are the only one known. As a rule they don't come cheap.
congratulations! ;D
Fred
Thanks for the offer of parts. I should have anything I may need, but if not will contact you.
I'd say you're insane, but I may have bid once or twice on that reel myself, so that makes me just a little less insane than you. ;)
Glad it's in a good home, and I totally agree that the rare ones don't come cheap. Come on, a clear LB, who ever heard of that?!
Looking forward to seeing her cleaned up,
Dom
I'm thinking a sales/trade model, like what they do nowadays with the cut-out reels.
Really cool!
And slightly insane, but hey, I think that's the definition of the serious collector. ;D
Well finally got the reel done, at least as far as I'm going to go. As I said above, I just cleaned it, replaced the free spool lever and screw and 4 screws on the head plate. Also all the brass internals as whoever cleaned it used a wire wheel on them. The rest of the chrome parts look like a fine file was used to remove the green corrosion. No way to clean a reel. (http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_4756_zpshufqlimg.jpg)
Next thing is the finish on the spool. It's like a fine wrinkle finish, doesn't look like corrosion plus there is no hole in the spool spindle.
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Remove the bridge at it's loaded with wheel bearing grease. I bet the bottom dried grease on the head plate has been there forever. What a pain to clean it.
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They did fish it, the drags were shot. Replace them.
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If you wanted to restore this with nice period correct chrome parts it wouldn't be a problem except for the handle. So until I can come up with the right handle I see no point in going any further, even then I may not.There are a few spots in the plates where you can see where some black was in the clear.
This is the cleaned 77 year old reel with all its original parts ( as far as I know ) except for what I replaced. Heck on this one I kept all the parts I replaced. Ready to fish, just add grease. ;D All kidding aside, I did that to a 1933 300 yd. Long Beach. I'll post it later.
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Those plates sure cleaned up nicely. I would be tempted (maybe because I have been learning from master Ted) to replace all of the chrome with period correct parts, and just keep all of the original parts with the reel. I think you could buff out the scratches on the marinized-bronze parts with some 4 or 5-0 steel wool and a short soak in vinegar. I have cleaned up worse to like new condition. I certainly wouldn't power polish/shine anything past what would be found on stock.
Also, I would get a set of period-correct NOS drag washers from Fred.
Just a few ideas.
Beautiful reel, in my opinion, worth every penny. ;) Just think how easy it would be for us that like to do upgrades having clear plates. I've been asking for them for the past two years with no luck. :-\
If you need leather washers, Mike might still have a few, I sold him a couple of lots a few years back, but he doesn't know it was me.
He also grabbed some nice early counterbalanced handles for the large Senators. ;D
Thanks for sharing your treasure with us... and that is a treasure. Very nice.
Sal
John,
Thanks for the ideas, I'll get a hold of Fred for a new set of leathers for the 33 Long Beach that I'm going to fish.
Sal, thanks. Maybe someone will have the correct handle in nice shape.
Good job Brian. The clear plates were well made to still be good after 77 years . Many clear plastic? things would melt or become brittle after contact with cleaning materials and just aging. Penn made a quality clear product even back in '38.
Hi Brian --
Have some NOS leather drags --
You are welcome to a couple of sets for your restore projects --
Just let me know the ID & OD measurements you need, PM your mailing address -- and I will get them out to you.
How about some of the Under Gear Washers? Could send those also.
N/C.
Best,
Fred
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Nice Job on the restoration... I knew she'd clean up well, as I didn't see the typical yellowing that happens to clear plastics that aren't UV treated.
Brian, is the grease port in the head plate missing or does it just look like it in the photo?
You have a very special reel there, but you don't need me to confirm that. ;)
Thanks for sharing,
Dom
Thanks for the pics Brian. The cleaning job came out great. Now, you need to find a NOS 1937 Long Beach 65 and mint out your rare artifact. I think that would be appropriate.
Dom,
The little plug is missing in both the grease port on the head plate and the handle screw.
Mike;
You're welcome. Would have been best if the previous owner had not cleaned it. I fell that if someone was to restore the reel, NOS parts would not fit the condition of the plates, as they have dings, scratches, etc. At this point I'm not doing anything else to it.
Brian
If Fred's Leather Washers don't fit I have some that needs a new home.
I may also have a few for that "Clearly" beautiful reel.
Let me know if you need and I'll check for you.
Dom
Thanks for the offer on washers. Had some so the reel is back together. Don't need new ones for a shelf Queen.
Just saying,(with tongue in cheek), wondering how hard it would be for someone with a 3d printer to scan a reel`s side plate and copy it in clear or any colour plastic . Amazing what is being made for the medical industry now with 3d printers.
Basto
This is the first time I have seen this post.
It is a glitch in the software. Some posts just don't show up.
Great Job on that reel.
You just have to want it.
Self Induced buying parameters permit this.
I do it regularly. ;)
Personally, I wouldn't give a G or that reel, But I would give $1500 for the reel I'm holding below. ;)
I'd never seen this either. It cleaned up nicely. I would not have replaced anything. Fifty years from now collectors might be discriminating between period correct parts and original parts and have the technology to distinguish between the two.
I did not know bakelite could be that clear. It must be very fragile.
-steve
This thread just magically appeared on my radar too. Are the sides Bakelite?
Brian, for what its worth, I have had a few oil/grease ports that looked like the ball bearing was missing but upon closer inspection found it to be stuck in the depressed position, a good application of solvent and a needle from the inside was able to release the BB...... And Cool Beans on the LB....you never know what will turn up next in the Penn world....Bill
Nice job. I too just saw this thread. It must have been hiding in cyber space. Dominick