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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn 99/Jigmaster/SurfMaster/Squidder Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: franky on October 08, 2015, 06:42:24 AM

Title: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: franky on October 08, 2015, 06:42:24 AM
I got a jigmaster that has a bad gear and pinion.  It is rough when reeling it.

The person claimed that he bought another second hand gear and pinion set on eBay.  In regular mode, the reels now reels smoothly.  However, when trying to put the reel into cast mode, the casting lever can not go fully into cast mode.  The lever stops short and becomes stuck.

When I checked everything, I noticed that if I remove the handle side bushing, the eccentric lever is able to go fully into cast mode.  Its as if the pinion is longer than the standard jigmaster pinion.  :-\

Is this pinion a pinion for another model reel?  ie. penn 3/0?
 
Title: Re: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: mizmo67 on October 08, 2015, 03:42:25 PM
Accurate had custom gears for the 113H Senators that fit into their custom side plate.
The pinion in that set was longer and skinnier than the 113h standard ones. I ran into this last year.

Did they make one like that for the Jigmasters? That would possibly explain the difference.
Title: Re: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: franky on October 08, 2015, 05:55:52 PM
Hey, thanks for the reply buddy.  Yeah, maybe that could be the situation.... :-\

I guess since this guy doesn't want to spend the money on getting another pinion, my only option will be to grind down the back end of the pinion.
Title: Re: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: foakes on October 08, 2015, 06:08:05 PM
Hi Franky --

If a guy is too resistant (cheap) to fix the reel properly -- and expects you to do magic -- if the pinion is ruined after grinding -- you may be the one buying a new pinion after all.  Then if it doesn't mesh well with the main -- you have another issue.

Be careful & wise.

Unless you wish to spend all of your time for free -- just advise a new main and pinion.  Otherwise -- tough to back up your work down the road.

Every repair mechanic is different --Just my opinion.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: franky on October 08, 2015, 06:21:42 PM
Hey you know...You have a very good point there and yes, before I touch that pinion, that did cross my mind.  :-[

I'm stopping right now!  ;D

I'm going to inform the guy right now.

Thanks for the heads up...
Title: Re: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: Dominick on October 08, 2015, 06:24:49 PM
Fred comes through again.  Good advice Fred.  Dominick
Title: Re: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: foakes on October 08, 2015, 08:43:28 PM
Fortunately, Franky --

Even though some folks may not want to hear what your professional evaluation is (generally because of $$$) --

The truth always stands on its own -- and will be well respected -- but the stain of a makeshift job with your name on it, will not quickly disappear.

Plus, some folks do not appreciate the knowledge and skill of a craftsman --  there are many years of experience that go into our craft.

However, our reputations are worth more than any amount of $$$ we may receive from a particular job.

A good workman need never be ashamed of asking a fair price for their work -- or turning down a job if the client is being unreasonable in their expectations and not wanting to listen to an expert.

Just do it right -- and everyone will be fine with it.

Just an opinion.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: swill88 on October 09, 2015, 03:07:48 AM
Quote from: foakes on October 08, 2015, 08:43:28 PM
Fortunately, Franky --

Even though some folks may not want to hear what your professional evaluation is (generally because of $$$) --

The truth always stands on its own -- and will be well respected -- but the stain of a makeshift job with your name on it, will not quickly disappear.

Plus, some folks do not appreciate the knowledge and skill of a craftsman --  there are many years of experience that go into our craft.

However, our reputations are worth more than any amount of $$$ we may receive from a particular job.

A good workman need never be ashamed of asking a fair price for their work -- or turning down a job if the client is being unreasonable in their expectations and not wanting to listen to an expert.

Just do it right -- and everyone will be fine with it.

Just an opinion.

Best,

Fred

Very well said Fred. 
Title: Re: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: Cortez_Conversions on November 01, 2015, 07:26:02 PM
Quote from: swill88 on October 09, 2015, 03:07:48 AM
Quote from: foakes on October 08, 2015, 08:43:28 PM
Fortunately, Franky --

Even though some folks may not want to hear what your professional evaluation is (generally because of $$$) --

The truth always stands on its own -- and will be well respected -- but the stain of a makeshift job with your name on it, will not quickly disappear.

Plus, some folks do not appreciate the knowledge and skill of a craftsman --  there are many years of experience that go into our craft.

However, our reputations are worth more than any amount of $$$ we may receive from a particular job.

A good workman need never be ashamed of asking a fair price for their work -- or turning down a job if the client is being unreasonable in their expectations and not wanting to listen to an expert.

Just do it right -- and everyone will be fine with it.

Just an opinion.

Best,

Fred

Very well said Fred. 

Well said indeed!
Title: Re: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: RowdyW on November 01, 2015, 07:58:34 PM
Quote from: franky on October 08, 2015, 06:42:24 AM
I got a jigmaster that has a bad gear and pinion.  It is rough when reeling it.

The person claimed that he bought another second hand gear and pinion set on eBay.  In regular mode, the reels now reels smoothly.  However, when trying to put the reel into cast mode, the casting lever can not go fully into cast mode.  The lever stops short and becomes stuck.

When I checked everything, I noticed that if I remove the handle side bushing, the eccentric lever is able to go fully into cast mode.  Its as if the pinion is longer than the standard jigmaster pinion.  :-\

Is this pinion a pinion for another model reel?  ie. penn 3/0?
 
Did you check the length of both pinion gears with a caliper to be sure that they are different lengths?
Title: Re: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: Alto Mare on November 01, 2015, 09:37:30 PM
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 01, 2015, 07:26:02 PM
Quote from: swill88 on October 09, 2015, 03:07:48 AM
Quote from: foakes on October 08, 2015, 08:43:28 PM
Fortunately, Franky --

Even though some folks may not want to hear what your professional evaluation is (generally because of $$$) --

The truth always stands on its own -- and will be well respected -- but the stain of a makeshift job with your name on it, will not quickly disappear.

Plus, some folks do not appreciate the knowledge and skill of a craftsman --  there are many years of experience that go into our craft.

However, our reputations are worth more than any amount of $$$ we may receive from a particular job.

A good workman need never be ashamed of asking a fair price for their work -- or turning down a job if the client is being unreasonable in their expectations and not wanting to listen to an expert.

Just do it right -- and everyone will be fine with it.

Just an opinion.

Best,

Fred

Very well said Fred. 

Well said indeed!
Yep! very well said Fred. I've been doing what I do for over 40 years, the customers that know me very well tell me to do as I think it should be done on some projects and to bill them when done. They don't even want to hear the estimated costs. Trust is more valuable to guys like me than money, most of us are aware that we could have over a thousand happy customers and it would only take one unhappy one to bring us down. So far, I love what I do, but today, it is getting a little harder.

Franky, I realize this thread is a month old, but here goes my two cents, just in case you still have that reel in hand.
On smaller reels and up to the Jigmaster size, the eccentric spring will interfere with the Jack
if it sticks out too much on the eccentric. I'm not saying that is definitely your problem, but check it out and if it is sitting above the eccentric, you will need to grind it down, it will usually get caught on the jack and causing the lever not to fully engage.

Sal
Title: Re: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: twotone on November 02, 2015, 01:34:22 AM
The knowledge here is the best. Sal I ran into that same problem some several months ago. It took me several hours to figure it that out . When I did it felt like I won the the Lotto! After reading this I should have just asked someone here.
Title: Re: penn jigmaster gear and pinion
Post by: Alto Mare on November 02, 2015, 03:12:20 AM
I'm glad you figured that out, it isn't easy the first time. Your next one will be a breeze.

Sal