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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: mrand on November 25, 2015, 09:30:57 PM

Title: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: mrand on November 25, 2015, 09:30:57 PM
can someone tell me if this is a 2 or 3 piece spool for a senator 2/0. I can tell a difference on the larger spools thanks to the guys in this forum but  not sure on the smaller senators.
I have a senator 2/0 spool that looks different form this one. Mine doesn't have a smoother arbor which makes me think it is not a one piece

the one listed here on eBay does have a smooth arbor transition but that sleeve makes me think it might be a different design of a 3 piece (which Im' trying to avoid!)
thank you
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-111-Senator-2-0-Metal-Spool-Made-in-USA-/131657799392?hash=item1ea76a96e0:g:PZAAAOSwcBhWUJi7
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Superhook on November 25, 2015, 09:56:13 PM
It's not a 3 piece spool .

This is a later design ...sometimes they are stainless steel.
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Cortez_Conversions on November 25, 2015, 10:35:49 PM
Ask the seller. I know he will have the answer for you. Hope that helps!
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Alto Mare on November 25, 2015, 11:24:01 PM
As Superhook mentioned sometimes they're stainless steel, the one on the pic isn't.
That is a 3 piece spool, not as the earlier ones, but it is a 3 piece spool.
I believe Lee took one apart for us in the past.

Sal


Found the pic:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10114.msg143696#msg143696
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: mrand on November 26, 2015, 01:08:31 AM
you guys are amazing. Thanks so much for the help. I had a hunch about this one. I'm learning thanks to you guys.
So I'm in the market for a one piece Chrome spool for my 2/0 if anyone has an extra one laying around.

Hope everyone has a great thanksgiving.
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Alto Mare on November 26, 2015, 01:27:39 AM
The spool that you've mentioned above is very durable, I would grab it if I were you. With the stainless steel spool similar to that one you get a reaction from the different metals and the sleeve on the hub usually gets deteriorated. Even so, it takes a long time and probably preventable if kept well greased.

Sal
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Cortez_Conversions on November 26, 2015, 02:44:42 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 25, 2015, 11:24:01 PM
As Superhook mentioned sometimes they're stainless steel, the one on the pic isn't.
That is a 3 piece spool, not as the earlier ones, but it is a 3 piece spool.
I believe Lee took one apart for us in the past.

Sal


Found the pic:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10114.msg143696#msg143696

Sal,
How can you tell by looking if those are stainless or not? I have trouble telling them apart.
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Alto Mare on November 26, 2015, 04:37:05 AM
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 26, 2015, 02:44:42 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 25, 2015, 11:24:01 PM
As Superhook mentioned sometimes they're stainless steel, the one on the pic isn't.
That is a 3 piece spool, not as the earlier ones, but it is a 3 piece spool.
I believe Lee took one apart for us in the past.

Sal


Found the pic:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10114.msg143696#msg143696

Sal,
How can you tell by looking if those are stainless or not? I have trouble telling them apart.
Tom, for some reason Penn stainless steel spools have a duller finish.
I've never seen a stainless steel spool from them as shiny as the one above.
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Dominick on November 26, 2015, 04:50:15 AM
Hey Sal, Lee, I pulled up that link you posted of Lee's efforts of taking that spool apart. In looking at the photo it looks like the spool could be a 4 piece spool.  Is that the case?  Dominick
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Alto Mare on November 26, 2015, 05:01:52 AM
Quote from: Dominick on November 26, 2015, 04:50:15 AM
Hey Sal, Lee, I pulled up that link you posted of Lee's efforts of taking that spool apart. In looking at the photo it looks like the spool could be a 4 piece spool.  Is that the case?  Dominick
Well, if you're going to get technical and take all the pieces in consideration, it would actually be a ( 8 ) piece spool.
I consider IT to be a 3 piece spool.
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Dominick on November 26, 2015, 05:26:16 AM
Did you count the pin?   ;D Sal I was not being facetious I was just looking at what we usually call a 3 piece and see the extra sleeve around the middle.  What is the purpose of the middle sleeve?  Dominick
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Steve-O on November 26, 2015, 06:26:59 AM
Same spool as my leftover one here in the Trade section.

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15943.0

2/0 ...3 piece spool in rashed chromed brass not a stainless version.
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Superhook on November 26, 2015, 09:15:20 AM

I thought the thread was whether the spool was the early 3 piece model that could pop the flanges from using mono line. I doubt that he could damage this spool .....but there are those that could break a crowbar in a sand pit  ;)

Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 26, 2015, 09:48:50 AM
That spool is just as good as a one piece strength wise. I wouldn't hesitate to buy it.
Like Ray said. Its the three piece with the tapered flanges that will pop on you.
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Alto Mare on November 26, 2015, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: Dominick on November 26, 2015, 05:26:16 AM
Did you count the pin?   ;D Sal I was not being facetious I was just looking at what we usually call a 3 piece and see the extra sleeve around the middle.  What is the purpose of the middle sleeve?  Dominick
Yes! I counted the pin, I also counted the ratchet ;D .

My take on the middle sleeve is simply related to mass production. I've seen my share of these, the sleeve/hub changes with the size of the spool, but the flanges are always the same.
It probably was more cost effective for them to dish out a bunch of spool flange of the same size.
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Ron Jones on November 28, 2015, 08:26:47 PM
I really like those spools. They are really strong and seem to run with less run out than the one piece spools. I fish them all the time, if the reel isn't going to be cast then I want that spool.
Ron
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: mrand on November 30, 2015, 03:44:17 AM
Hey Ron
why do you prefer not to cast with this spool?
Title: Re: 2 or 3 piece
Post by: Ron Jones on January 13, 2016, 02:52:45 AM
Sorry, late in the game on the response.
In my experience, one of the most significant things contributing to casting distance as far as the reel is concerned is spool weight. These spools are tanks, they spin well but it takes a lot to get them going and to slow them down. That can be bd casting into the wind. If I am casting I want the lightest spool I can get my hands on.
Ron