Hi!
I hope that I'm not the only one who feels this way, but I really dislike the type of screws used to hold the sideplate on the Saltiga LD series. It's a sort of a flathead screwdriver type of screw, yet the groove is so shallow and thin that I'm having a hard time finding the right diameter needed not to damage the screws. It would be a nightmare to strip the groove of one of these, there is so little to go on there.
Any suggestions when it comes to choosing the right tool for these screws?
On many reels, we can get by with average screwdrivers.
On these high end Daiwas, I agree, the screws are a weak link in an otherwise expensive and decent reel.
Two choices -- IMO -- get a high quality, gunsmith (HOLLOW GROUND) screwdriver of the exact size needed.
Or, order a couple dozen spare screws from Daiwa for your future servicing of this reel.
Use only a manual, hollow ground tipped, right size screwdriver. A power driver will tend to strip the slot and there will also be a good chance at that point of scratching the side plate.
Just got to do it by hand -- and invest in the proper tool.
Also, lightly grease the screws as you reinsert them into the frame. After a year or two, they will still come out easily, with no corrossion or salt stick.
Good luck,
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on December 04, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
On many reels, we can get by with average screwdrivers.
On these high end Daiwas, I agree, the screws are a weak link in an otherwise expensive and decent reel.
Two choices -- IMO -- get a high quality, gunsmith (HOLLOW GROUND) screwdriver of the exact size needed.
Or, order a couple dozen spare screws from Daiwa for your future servicing of this reel.
Use only a manual, hollow ground tipped, right size screwdriver. A power driver will tend to strip the slot and there will also be a good chance at that point of scratching the side plate.
Just got to do it by hand -- and invest in the proper tool.
Also, lightly grease the screws as you reinsert them into the frame. After a year or two, they will still come out easily, with no corrossion or salt stick.
Good luck,
Best,
Fred
Thanks for the input. I only use manual tools when working on reels, but I can't understand why Daiwa wants to use these screws in such a reel. The problem is that I've gotten this reel sent to me, so the screws have probably never been greased and there's probably salt underneath the head of the screw - clamping it down just a bit more. When re-installing, I always grease the threads. I'll take the reel with me tomorrow to a few stores and see if I can find a good quality bit/tool that'll do the job.
-Jon-
Daiwa does not seem to design anything with regular routine maintenance by a DiY guy in mind.
Luckily, I found a tool at work with a bit that fit the screws just close enough that I was able to unscrew them. Before giving it a go, I had soaked them in some penetrating oil to help with the dried out salt that was underneath the screw heads.
It doesn't really help that these soft screws with such a shallow groove, is secured with Threadlock. :(
I'm really happy that I was able to unscrew these, I was getting close to a breakdown thinking what would happen if one or more of those screws got a stripped head..
I've e-mailed Daiwa UK and asked if they can assist me with finding the proper tool for these screws. I'm gonna try and replace the screws with something else, I hate this design.
I believe the screw size is M3 and I always change then to SS. I know your pain. They use that type on many of their reels.
Keith is correct --
That is what I do also --
Last ones I got were from McMaster, if I recall.
Best,
Fred
Thanks guys, good to hear that I'm not alone with the pain. :D
I'll have to bring one of the original screws with me and see if I can find a match in SS, AND with a screwdriver groove (or anything but the Daiwa standard) ;D
If it looks like it is starting to cam out of the slot, stop. You already have added lube, next to try is heat and percussion, even tightening the screw to break the bond before you try again may help. Big #### soldering iron with a large flattened tip is one of my favorites.
cheers
Steve
Quote from: handi2 on December 07, 2015, 09:51:12 PM
I believe the screw size is M3 and I always change then to SS. I know your pain. They use that type on many of their reels.
Do you know the exact size of these sideplate screws? I've looked around, but I've only found screws that are a bit longer. It should be no problem to cut them with a dremel and just do the threads with a nut installed pre-cutting, but finding the exact size and model name of these screws would be great. M3 is just a standard, right?
If you can find M3 crews with a Torx or hex head of the right profile would be my choice. The length is easy to adjust with a Dremel and cut-off disc.
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on January 11, 2016, 11:50:15 AM
If you can find M3 crews with a Torx or hex head of the right profile would be my choice. The length is easy to adjust with a Dremel and cut-off disc.
Agreed Torx or hex head screws are best, and Fred hit on the slotted head screws when he suggested a good quality hollow ground set. I don't know why the reel industry doesn't use all torx or socket head screws,perhaps it's because they fear people will over tighten those types of screws.
Joe
Quote from: Reel 224 on January 11, 2016, 02:07:42 PM
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on January 11, 2016, 11:50:15 AM
If you can find M3 crews with a Torx or hex head of the right profile would be my choice. The length is easy to adjust with a Dremel and cut-off disc.
Agreed Torx or hex head screws are best, and Fred hit on the slotted head screws when he suggested a good quality hollow ground set. I don't know why the reel industry doesn't use all torx or socket head screws,perhaps it's because they fear people will over tighten those types of screws.
Joe
Couldn't agree more, Torx is always a welcome sight for sore reel eyes. The threads never strip, and I feel that it's easier to feel when the screw has been tightened properly.
I really can't stand the screws that Daiwa use for the Saltiga and Saltist reels, just looking at them gives me a bad feeling. :D
I have 5 in the shop right now and will verify the screws. Luckily these screws came out easily. You do need to get a set of gunsmithing screwdrivers. Without them it would have been harder. I tried a regular screwdriver and none fit just right.
You can buy a set hear. http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/screwdrivers-sets/magna-tip-bit-sets/browning-auto-5-screwdriver-set-prod25476.aspx
Joe
This large set I have is made by Wheeler. One tip in the back row fit the Saltiga screws perfectly. The bits are hollow ground with different widths and thicknesses. It's well worth having these for working on many brands of reels. Especially the older Penn International reels.
There are many impressive things about Brownell's.
But to me, one of the best is the way they handle customer service.
While it is rare to break one of their hardened screwdriver bits -- I have chipped 2 over the years with tough, rusted or salt fused screws. One on a reel -- one on an old shotgun. In one case, I was being a little too impatient -- in the other, I did not realize the screw released outward clockwise. Really both my fault -- and I expected to pay for new bits.
Each time, I just gave them a call -- explained the problem -- they unnecessarily apologized for the issue -- and promptly sent out a replacement at no cost. No receipt after 12 years --
The really impressive part was that they did not want the old bit back, did not ask any questions.
We need to acknowledge and appreciate companies that do business in this manner -- and continue to use them -- loyalty works both ways.
These old school, quality firms -- putting out a quality product, and standing behind it for life -- are becoming fewer and fewer.
While it is easy to always go out and buy the latest, and greatest gadget ever invented -- it is also too easy to forget an old friend -- and how well they have treated us by always handling issues in a classy manner.
Thank You, Brownells.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on January 11, 2016, 07:24:53 PM
There are many impressive things about Brownell's.
But to me, one of the best is the way they handle customer service.
While it is rare to break one of their hardened screwdriver bits -- I have chipped 2 over the years with tough, rusted or salt fused screws. One on a reel -- one on an old shotgun. In one case, I was being a little too impatient -- in the other, I did not realize the screw released outward clockwise. Really both my fault -- and I expected to pay for new bits.
Each time, I just gave them a call -- explained the problem -- they unnecessarily apologized for the issue -- and promptly sent out a replacement at no cost. No receipt after 12 years --
The really impressive part was that they did not want the old bit back, did not ask any questions.
We need to acknowledge and appreciate companies that do business in this manner -- and continue to use them -- loyalty works both ways.
These old school, quality firms -- putting out a quality product, and standing behind it for life -- are becoming fewer and fewer.
While it is easy to always go out and buy the latest, and greatest gadget ever invented -- it is also too easy to forget an old friend -- and how well they have treated us by always handling issues in a classy manner.
Thank You, Brownells.
Best,
Fred
Fred: I have been dealing with Brownells for 43yeary and have never had a problem with any of there services. IMO they should be an example for other company's to follow.
Joe
Quote from: handi2 on January 11, 2016, 03:18:26 PM
I have 5 in the shop right now and will verify the screws. Luckily these screws came out easily. You do need to get a set of gunsmithing screwdrivers. Without them it would have been harder. I tried a regular screwdriver and none fit just right.
That would be superb, thank you!
Quote from: Reel 224 on January 11, 2016, 03:51:14 PM
You can buy a set hear. http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/screwdrivers-sets/magna-tip-bit-sets/browning-auto-5-screwdriver-set-prod25476.aspx
Joe
Great, thanks! They even have a Norwegian shop that has that kit in stock, not bad :)
Quote from: handi2 on January 11, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
This large set I have is made by Wheeler. One tip in the back row fit the Saltiga screws perfectly. The bits are hollow ground with different widths and thicknesses. It's well worth having these for working on many brands of reels. Especially the older Penn International reels.
Is this the same set that you posted a picture of?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HTN4EWG/ref=asc_df_B00HTN4EWG4092284?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=merbethomgarbhg-20&linkCode=df0&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B00HTN4EWG&ascsubtag=952965588