what size wrench do I need to remove the nut that holds the handle on a red Senator 6/0
You need an Alan Tani wrench. Not sure what the size is, but his is very nice.
Ron
Welcome, bperry --
Got to use the larger of the sizes on the Penn wrench.
This will fit the 23-116 or 114 exactly.
If a pair of pliers or some other type of wrench are used -- the best you can hope for is scratched chrome.
Alan has one of these that are really nice, that he sells.
Or, I could send one of the Penns that come with the reels -- out to you at N/C.
Best,
Fred
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I have the Penn 168-114 but it is too small. What is the correct wrench part number...Thanks
Quote from: foakes on January 13, 2016, 12:21:33 AM
Welcome, bperry --
Got to use the larger of the sizes on the Penn wrench.
This will fit the 23-116 or 114 exactly.
If a pair of pliers or some other type of wrench are used -- the best you can hope for is scratched chrome.
Alan has one of these that are really nice, that he sells.
Or, I could send one of the Penns that come with the reels -- out to you at N/C.
Best,
Fred
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Fred... is there a proper name for this 'Penn' bolt head?
Steve
Steve --
These are called handle screws by Penn.
Others call them handle nuts.
There is no official nut manufacturer descriptor name, that I know of.
Unique to reels, I believe.
Key Part #23 -- just two sizes, plus the old fashioned hex heads.
Bperry -- I do not know of a part number -- although it likely has one.
Never needed a # -- since there are only (2) sizes -- large and small -- and I have about 300 wrenches just lying in a bin. Just use one about 100% of the time for the last 20 years.
If you go to a local sporting goods, or tackle shop, they will have one for probably a buck -- or free.
Best,
Fred
Accept no substitute b.
The original alantani wrench is the bomb. ;)
Mystic Reel Parts sells them.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/168-TANI.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/168-TANI.aspx)
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"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
X100.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 14, 2016, 05:08:05 AM
Accept no substitute b.
The original alantani wrench is the bomb. ;)
Scott's bait and tackle sells them.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/168-TANI.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/168-TANI.aspx)
I got one direct from the Boss. At first it's a little tight and you have to work to get it over the nut. By the 4th or 5th time its a perfect fit and far superior to the Penn model! I cherish my AT wrench!
Sid
Sid,
I mean this with the best intentions, but if you had a problem getting this wrench over a handle nut.
Someone boogered it before you got to it.
I have taken hundreds of reels apart with mine and never had an issue.
If the fit doesn't feel right, I just flip it over.
I have busted loose some stubborn handle nuts on big senators and this thing is tough as they come.
I actually have two. ;)
I too have found that when it doesn't seem to want to fit, flipping it over seems to work.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 14, 2016, 06:21:07 AM
if you had a problem getting this wrench over a handle nut.
Someone boogered it before you got to it.
I am in no position to argue. It worked on all applications, just seemed to be easier after the 4th or 5th time. Considering the hardness of the materials (it's SS, right?), I wouldn't doubt that the problem is with the nut and not the wrench. I report, you decide.
Sid
No arguing buddy,
I like you and this wrench is needed if you want to get serious.
Just adding my input. We are all equal here.
Yes, the one and only alantani wrench is made of stainless.
I have had nuts so stubborn on Big neglected Senators, I had to put enough leverage on it to need a leather glove. ::)
I think I broke one of those once. Heat and 50:50 ATF:Acetone usually do the trick on the most stubborn ones.
Quote from: sdlehr on January 14, 2016, 06:26:08 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 14, 2016, 06:21:07 AM
if you had a problem getting this wrench over a handle nut.
Someone boogered it before you got to it.
I am in no position to argue. It worked on all applications, just seemed to be easier after the 4th or 5th time. Considering the hardness of the materials (it's SS, right?), I wouldn't doubt that the problem is with the nut and not the wrench. I report, you decide.
Sid
Hi Sid,
I'm sorry to hear of your problems. Sometimes if you flip the wrench, it would fit better. Due to machining, one side is microns larger than the other so that the stainless steel piece falls out during the cutting process.
And, depending on the batch that you got, one is spot on and the other is slightly larger. I initially made them spot-on for a perfect fit. Alan told me that if some nuts are corroded or someone took some pipe wrench or pliers to it, the wrench would not fit on a deformed nut. I enlarged is slightly for this purpose. The second cutting wrenches also fits Daiwa's Sealine Series nuts too (600H, 900H).
Bryan
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 14, 2016, 04:04:35 PM
Hi Sid,
I'm sorry to hear of your problems. Sometimes if you flip the wrench, it would fit better. Due to machining, one side is microns larger than the other so that the stainless steel piece falls out during the cutting process.
And, depending on the batch that you got, one is spot on and the other is slightly larger. I initially made them spot-on for a perfect fit. Alan told me that if some nuts are corroded or someone took some pipe wrench or pliers to it, the wrench would not fit on a deformed nut. I enlarged is slightly for this purpose. The second cutting wrenches also fits Daiwa's Sealine Series nuts too (600H, 900H).
Bryan
Bryan, it's not a problem. It's smooth as silk now. Maybe the first few nuts I tried it on were a little damaged. I don't remember, and it no longer matters.
Sid
SE FL
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 14, 2016, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on January 14, 2016, 06:26:08 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 14, 2016, 06:21:07 AM
if you had a problem getting this wrench over a handle nut.
Someone boogered it before you got to it.
I am in no position to argue. It worked on all applications, just seemed to be easier after the 4th or 5th time. Considering the hardness of the materials (it's SS, right?), I wouldn't doubt that the problem is with the nut and not the wrench. I report, you decide.
Sid
Hi Sid,
I'm sorry to hear of your problems. Sometimes if you flip the wrench, it would fit better. Due to machining, one side is microns larger than the other so that the stainless steel piece falls out during the cutting process.
And, depending on the batch that you got, one is spot on and the other is slightly larger. I initially made them spot-on for a perfect fit. Alan told me that if some nuts are corroided or someone took some pipe wrench or pliers to it, the wrench would not fit on a deformed nut. I enlarged is slightly for this purpose. The second cutting wrenches also fits Daiwa's Sealine Series nuts too (600H, 900H).
Bryan
hmmm then I think I have one of the 1st batch cuz Im like Sid, I nedd to test the fit of the wrench at least 3 times until get the perfect fit, it really dont bother me at all, I always blamed that those Penn screw heads were damaged by using regular pliers on them, which is truth
what really put me on bad mood its when I dont finding the AT wrench and have to use those skinny "free" Penn wrenches on stubborn screws
If you got one of these wrenches
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You are one of the lucky few.
I went back to ask the cutter if he could do the acid etching again, and he said sure, but he under quoted it last time...it took him way longer than he expected and charged me $0.50 each wrench last time...this time he wanted to charge $8 per wrench just for the etching...well, that was way too much and declined. I asked Alan for one before they were all gone.
then Im a lucky guy
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Quote from: sdlehr on January 14, 2016, 06:26:08 AM
I am in no position to argue.
I am now, but first, Daron I like you, too, but we can argue about something and still like each other. Just ask my wife ;D. I went to tackle a nut a little while ago and had trouble with the AT wrench... same problem, not enough clearance. At first I thought the dirt on the nut was the problem, but I cleaned it to no avail. I could force the wrench over the nut, and I took a few pics to show how tight it is and how the clearance is non-existent. You can see for yourself.
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It works, it just has to be forced onto the nut.... more force than I've had to use on any wrench before - maybe I'm just not used to this kind of quality and close tolerance, but Bryan, I'm not complaining, I love my AT wrench. Maybe cherish is a better word. I'm just stating a fact, and don't consider it a problem. But on the next batch another micron or two clearance wouldn't hurt ;D
Sid
Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 15, 2016, 06:32:41 AM
I know what the problem is Sid.
Once you get past 100 reel builds, It will fit like a glove. ;)
I only have about 80 to go.... I'll report back.
Sid,
I just sent the Bosu a message about those handles.
If a lazer etched one is not available, I will send you one I have that doesn't have those tabs on it.
Neither one of mine look like that.
Those are the best wrench available, they are machined to perfection. They are tapered, one side is looser and should always be facing down, mine are marked so I'll always set them correctly.
Some handle nuts on older Penn's are not the same, they appear to be, but are not the same.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 15, 2016, 10:51:35 AM
Some handle nuts on older Penn's are not the same, they appear to be, but are not the same.
Sal
I thought as much... that would explain everything I'm seeing. Daron, thanks for taking care of me, but I can make this one work and really don't need two...
Sid
You always need two of everything. What if you lose one or it is out of reach. BTW, I usually buy rods and reels in at least pairs. One for each side of the boat
I think the same way. You had your chance Sid. ;)
This is the one I've got
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Sid