Hey guys, Christmas came early for me this year. Had a member in my boat club who owns a tackle shop trying to track down new spools for my 349H reels or if they even existed. Well he came thru with a place in Ca. so I ordered 2 and just got them today. ;D ;D ;D. They are NOS w/box and are beautiful. Called back this morning and bought the remaining one he had for a spare. I was just wondering if any one knows why one is polished chrome and the other is brushed chrome and the shape of the boxes is different. Different years I'm thinking ? Anyway for $35 ea. I'm a happy boy. ;D ;D ;D Richy
The shiny one is chromed over brass -- the duller brushed one is likely SS.
Berinson's and Randy from Vintage Offshore both have hard to find items.
Randy is a member of our site -- and takes very good care of us.
Good finds!
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on February 24, 2016, 05:49:31 PM
The shiny one is chromed over brass -- the duller brushed one is likely SS.
Berinson's and Randy from Vintage Offshore both have hard to find items.
Randy is a member of our site -- and takes very good care of us.
Good finds!
Best,
Fred
As always you are right again Fred. I just did the magnet test and the dull one is SS. I never new they made SS spools for these reels. Also my apologies to Randy, I must have brain freeze, because I forgot all about checking with him first. Will do next time I need something. Richy
PS. Sorry about the crooked pics. I have no idea how to rotate them once I post. ??? ???
Randy from Vintage Offshore will be the first to say no apology needed -- plenty of business for everyone...
Having said that, Randy is a modest and super capable guy -- he works hard to find what you need at very fair prices -- and has many contacts that few know about.
Not saying anything against Berinson's -- They are a solid and good company, and an asset to all of us -- they also have hard to get items -- and run a good, profitable business.
Best,
Fred
Nice find, Richy. The difference in boxes is just a different year, they found the boxes that were a different shape for a cheaper price, or it was meant to be for a different reel and got stuffed in the extra box left over.
The reason one is polished chrome and one is SS is just a different year or time period. Penn was always experimenting and turned the the SS spool after the chromed over, I believe.
Enjoy,
Dom
Those spools are near impossible to find....nicely done.
The one with brushed finish certainly appears to be a plated cast bronze spool. I may be wrong, but to my knowledge Penn never made a stainless spool.
Ted
Quote from: Max Doubt on February 24, 2016, 09:48:30 PM
Those spools are near impossible to find....nicely done.
The one with brushed finish certainly appears to be a plated cast bronze spool. I may be wrong, but to my knowledge Penn never made a stainless spool.
Ted
Same here!
I agree with both Ted and Sal in that I didn't think they were stainless but some won't let a magnet stick to them so what are they? It's one of the questions I'd like answered at the factory tour.
Thanks
Dom
Great Find Richy.
Dom, I'm afraid they are made from the dreaded unobtanium. ;D
Quote from: broadway on February 24, 2016, 10:25:19 PM
I agree with both Ted and Sal in that I didn't think they were stainless but some won't let a magnet stick to them so what are they? It's one of the questions I'd like answered at the factory tour.
Thanks
Dom
I think you won't be able to get a magnet to stick on 90% of Penn metal parts, the other 10% are the gears and spool shaft... but not the brass gears of course.
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 24, 2016, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: Max Doubt on February 24, 2016, 09:48:30 PM
The one with brushed finish certainly appears to be a plated cast bronze spool. I may be wrong, but to my knowledge Penn never made a stainless spool.
Ted
Same here!
X3
Bronze is non magnetic.
I suspect the right answer in mixed into all these replies. The shiny spool is chrome plated brass and the brushed spool is chrome plated bronze. It was simply how Penn finished the different metals; but, that is not a hard and fast rule. Penn also like to tumble chrome parts to finish them, giving another type of finish.
Penn made many stainless steel spools; but, not for the 349, I believe. A magnet will not stick to any spool side; but, will stick to the spool spindle because the spool shaft that is inside the spindle is steel. That sort of makes a person think that the spool spindle is magnetic; but it is not. The external spindle is always made from non magnetic material; but, the magnetic attraction is caused by the spool shaft traveling through the spool spindle. The magnetic force is passing through the brass.
I love this place! That makes a ton of sense, Mike. The 3 piece version on the Long Beach and other small Penn's seem to be SS, but I could be getting fooled with one of the process Mike is talking about.
Thanks for the insight,
Dom
Quote from: Keta on February 24, 2016, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 24, 2016, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: Max Doubt on February 24, 2016, 09:48:30 PM
The one with brushed finish certainly appears to be a plated cast bronze spool. I may be wrong, but to my knowledge Penn never made a stainless spool.
Ted
Same here!
X3
Bronze is non magnetic.
And as you already know neither is some type of stainless steel.
Thanks for straightening me out on this, guys.
I thought that was stainless because it was so heavy, duller, and well done.
Some Penn spools I believe are stainless -- but like Mike said, not any of the Mariners.
Sorry for the misinformation.
Best,
Fred
I am glad you like the spools Richy. The third one will be shipped out tomorrow for you. You got the last 3 NOS Penn 349 spools that I had.They are ready to catch lots and lots of fish.
Tight lines Paul
Okay, now I'm more confused then I was before Richy picked up these spools from Paul. I understand that neither of the 349 spools are stainless, but are there any spools that are? I thought the screw on/off Long Beach and other little guys were stainless. Can someone definitively set the record straight before I ask good ole' Tony at the Penn tour in May? I have never used a Penn with the spool I'm talking about but I own enough of them that I should know the answer to this, but I need some clarifying here.
Thanks
Dom
I've owned Jigmasters and 210's that had stainless spools. If I remember right, the arbors are sleeved in the middle and the spindle/flanges held together by a tell-tale nut on the tail-plate side. Color was a muted silver--similar to the cast bronze 349 spools shown here--and not as shiny as the chrome-plated versions.
Chad
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Keta, that's the one!
Thank for the photo.
Chad
Exactly, Thats the one I'm talking about, Lee. So, those are stainless?
Thanks
Dom
Quote from: broadway on February 25, 2016, 04:25:07 AM
Exactly, Thats the one I'm talking about, Lee. So, those are stainless?
Thanks
Dom
They appear to be SS.
Penn 210...
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Well, that isn't actually a stainless steel spool, I'm pretty sure the spindle is chromed brass, the two checks are stainless though. If not looked after those will deteriorate much faster than the chromed one piece spools.
Having two different types of metal, galvanic reaction is the blame on those.
They are very light though.
Sal
I have an unusable one of these in my shop, I will put it on the belt sander and see if it is brass.
Quote from: Keta on February 25, 2016, 03:03:33 PM
I have an unusable one of these in my shop, I will put it on the belt sander and see if it is brass.
Do you mean the spindle of the one I've mentioned above? Or the 349?
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 25, 2016, 03:11:13 PM
Quote from: Keta on February 25, 2016, 03:03:33 PM
I have an unusable one of these in my shop, I will put it on the belt sander and see if it is brass.
Do you mean the spindle of the one I've mentioned above? Or the 349?
I think it's a 209 spool, all 349 spools I have or have seen were 100% brass or bronze. I will not scrap the pile of warped 349 spools hoping I can straighten them out and make them useable again. Large halibut, mono and deep fishing was tough on the tall narrow spools, even the heavy bronze ones. Braid (Dacron at the time) eliminated spool spreading. I wish more Newell aluminum 349 spools were available.
Lee is right on this -- those Newell spools would be the ticket.
If you use a grinder just a bit -- SS will spark. Chromed over brass or bronze will not -- aluminum will not spark either. Test with a grinder - sparks means Stainless Steel. No sparks means Aluminum or Chrome-plated Brass.
If you have been around a little metal in your life, you can also use a drill. If SS, I will know before it goes any more than 100 mils into the piece -- just by how hard it feels.
There are acid tests, testing devices -- but at the end of the day -- old fashioned works for this child.
Seems like some of the 209, 309, various Long Beaches, etc. -- did offer SS spools.
Loose One on the lower left is chromed over brass. The rest appear to be SS -- including the old boxed ones, which each have a spool inside.
Just my opinions.
Best,
Fred
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Quote from: Alto Mare on February 25, 2016, 03:11:13 PM
Quote from: Keta on February 25, 2016, 03:03:33 PM
I have an unusable one of these in my shop, I will put it on the belt sander and see if it is brass.
Do you mean the spindle of the one I've mentioned above? Or the 349?
The 209 hub I had is SS. I used nitric acid to test it.
Hey guys, thanks for all the comments. Just got back on line. Lost electric and internet last night from the storm and winds.
Quote from: fishhead69 on February 25, 2016, 02:43:07 AM
I am glad you like the spools Richy. The third one will be shipped out tomorrow for you. You got the last 3 NOS Penn 349 spools that I had.They are ready to catch lots and lots of fish.
Tight lines Paul
Thanks Paul. Will have them all up and running by the spring Bass run.
Quote from: broadway on February 24, 2016, 10:25:19 PM
I agree with both Ted and Sal in that I didn't think they were stainless but some won't let a magnet stick to them so what are they? It's one of the questions I'd like answered at the factory tour.
Thanks
Dom
Ted, Sal and Dom I did test the dull spool. It has a small nick so put it in my drill press and used 600 and 2000 grit wet/dry to smooth it and I can just see some Bronze starting to show.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 24, 2016, 10:29:21 PM
Great Find Richy.
Dom, I'm afraid they are made from the dreaded unobtanium. ;D
Daron they sure seemed to be Unubtainium to me, been looking for them a LONG time. :D One last question if you guys don't mind. Which would be better and last longer for trolling wire line. These will be my trolling reels for Bass and Blues with 30 lb. Monel wire over 30 Mono. Thanks Richy
Bronze for wire.
Quote from: Keta on February 25, 2016, 06:47:39 PM
Bronze for wire.
Thanks Lee, that's what I thought.