Hello all. I have been doing some reading on the forums for few days now after Ryan received his newly hot rodded senator from Daren. I must say, I'm impressed. Next day I did some garage sale shopping and came across a senator 115L 9/0 myself. I really want to do this. From what I have read, all parts are still readily accessible except the frame. Does anyone know how I can get my hands on a frame.
My little $75 gem (hopefully)
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I can't see the pictures Macarps.
It will take a while to gather all the parts, but it can be done.
So this is definitely a learning experience for me. I am tearing it down right now. I have found some corrosion but appears to be mild. I am not quite sure of how I can get the star off the sleeve so I can remove the bridge and main gear from the reel. Any pointers?
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You should have removed the star before removing the bridge screws & dumping the guts out of it. That way the dog would have held the gear sleeve from turning backwards. You could try reassembling it to lock the dog to the sleeve. You will only have to install the dog. You missed step #2. Step #1 remove handle, step #2 remove star wheel, etc. ;D ;D You could also put the handle back on to hold the sleeve from turning & back the star off as it pushes the handle off the sleeve. Rudy
Ya I actually held the dog against the sleeve and spun it right off. Now trying to get the sleeve off bridge. That's held on by a small pin?
The pin is in the flat of the sleeve and should just push out with a small straight tool. I use a finish nail.
Ron
Small punch and hammer. That sleeve looks pretty corroded.
I doubt a finish nail would do.
We are here for ya buddy,
You need anything, drop me a PM.
Not sure where you're located, but I can help if you're near by.
Meh. Projects on hold until I get a frame. Are the CADs available for half frames?
Put a post up in the buy, sell, trade section. You might get lucky.
If what Sal says is correct, that we flush out equipment based on our stated needs, and that stuff appears on Ebay shortly after a demand is noted on this site, if I were you I'd be paying close attention on Ebay over the next few days. One might just "coincidentally" show up. I'm trying to verify this phenomenon myself. With over 2.5 million independent hits/month on this site, there are some lurkers amongst us that are more interested in finding out what we are looking for than in the actual work we do on these reels. Keep your eyes peeled on Ebay for a few days. Something interesting might happen. If it does, please report back. This is interesting to me. Human behavior is fascinating. I'm trying to figure out a way to manipulate this to become independently wealthy. I'm having a hard time ;D ;D ;D Let me know if you have any ideas. :)
Sid
The build will move on. I have purchased a black half frame. As the build will move on so will the dreaded cleaning of that nasty spool. What your guys preference in corrosion removal and polishing. I figured I would polish it up with some never dull.
Glad you found a frame.
The Nevr Dull will take a while, but it works.
I also use mothers mag wheel polish and just regular turtle wax chrome polish.
If the Chrome has corroded through the brass, there is only so much you can do.
The best way to get rid of that corrosion is to replace that boat anchor with an aluminum spool. ;D IMO You won't believe how much of a difference it will make. Clean up the chrome spool and du.. sell it on ebay to recoup some of the cost of an aluminum spool. Rudy
I love my 9/0's I have one modified and one still stock except for the Tib Frame.
So I was thinking about purchasing the 114H gear kit from smooth drag. Would I be able to use the stock 9/0 pinion with the main gear provided in the kit?
Quote from: Macarps on April 09, 2016, 10:44:31 PM
So I was thinking about purchasing the 114H gear kit from smooth drag. Would I be able to use the stock 9/0 pinion with the main gear provided in the kit?
No, the new ss gears are spiral cut & won't match up with the Penn gear. Either use the original set or the complete 9/0 ss set. You can look around for a original heat treated main gear to use with the original ss pinion. Mix & match is a Rube Goldberg setup. What are you trying to achieve?
Well I noticed the gear set was for sale for 114h. I heard the 114 and 115 have same main gear but different pinion. I want to buy the gear set from smooth drag but I can't seem to find just the ss aftermarket pinion. Guess I will just stop being lazy and buy each piece individually :)
If you want ss gears buy them as a set (9/0 is available check with Black Pearl). If you want original steel main gear & ss pinion you can get the pinion gear from Scott's & you will have to shop around for either a used or NOS steel main gear. The only main gear that Penn supplies is bronze. The steel gear is obsolete but they can be picked up from members here or ebay or wherever. What's in the reel right now??
I really don't think these aftermarket gears are available in the individual form.
You either buy them in a set or you don't.
I think Scotts has them.
You either buy a set for the 115L or the 114H.
You can still use the original steel gears with the insert.
I ordered the set and the washers separate. I was just trying to kill two stones with one bird. Everything is on its way. I think at this point I just need a nice big t bar handle, some good grease (i have aqua shield, what do you guys think about using that) and need to figure out this double dog dremel madness. I purchase regular bronze dogs. Will this be an issue running a stainless sleeve?
The dogs might wear quicker on that ss sleeve, but I think you'll be fine with the brass.
You say you ordered washers separate. Are you running a conventional drag stack with the Black Pearl gears?
I'm going to be using black pearl gears with smooth drag carbon fiber setup.
10-4, That setup will be nice, but I would go with Adam's insert to make it all it can be.
There is nothing wrong with your choice, Its Just my opinion.
That's the insert drag kit? I think I read that he was taking names for the next batch? That's just an insert that fits into the main gear that you can load with cf washers built for the insert?
Quote from: Macarps on April 11, 2016, 01:35:38 AM
That's the insert drag kit? I think I read that he was taking names for the next batch? That's just an insert that fits into the main gear that you can load with cf washersbthat for the insert?
But the drag created is doubled... but your gonna have to wait a little until he has the available.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13341.0
but, like Daron said, nothing wiring with your 1st choice. just another option if you want more drag.
Theres also another option, but you're gonna have to check with Bryan if he has any in stock...
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12788.0
Ya I have signed up for the insert drag kit for next batch. I can't wait to get my hands on that. For the meantime I am going to stick with the smooth 5 drag set and feel this first build out. Learning a lot day by day as I am anticipating all my parts to arrive. Ordered this when I could have ordered that kind of thing. I certainly intend to max this reel out though. If not this one, definitely the next. I think this is going to get pretty addictive...
Quote from: Macarps on April 11, 2016, 01:59:41 AM
Ya I have signed up for the insert drag kit for next batch. I can't wait to get my hands on that. For the meantime I am going to stick with the smooth 5 drag set and feel this first build out. Learning a lot day by day as I am anticipating all my parts to arrive. Ordered this when I could have ordered that kind of thing. I certainly intend to max this reel out though. If not this one, definitely the next. I think this is going to get pretty addictive...
Cool, I guess we're all looking forward of some pic of your progress. We're cheering you on, and are here to help.
Alright. I have pretty much received everything less the handle and arm. I figured I would start building her up. First was my old bridge with my new ss sleeve. I applied the sleeve to the bridge inserted the bridge pin, which was far more difficult than I thought it would be and now the sleeve will not spin on the bridge. Any one encounter this issue?
Oh,
Tiny grasshoppa ;D, Welcome to the world of hot rodding reels. Sometimes they just go right together. Sometimes not.
You have two options. File down the pin, so that the sleeve spins freely, or sand down the end of the sleeve.
Personally, when I run into this problem, I swap the bridge with a different one and Wala!
I've probably built two dozen 9/0's tricked out to the nines. It takes patience.(and money)
Your Buddy Ryan's was no disappointment in the sometimes not factor, but I knew just what to do.
You need anything, just ask us. Experience makes perfect. ;)
I filed the pin flat on one side it went through a lot better. How smooth should the sleeve spin on the bridge? Mine seems to take a little force but is much better than it was.
Needs to be pretty smooth without catching. Make sure there are no burrs inside the sleeve. If not you may have a bent bridge post. It doesn't take much.
Sand the bridge post with some very fine sandpaper or emery cloth. Sometimes that does the trick too.
Also make sure to grease or oil the bridge post. I grease mine with penn blue and then put a couple drops of reel x in the top.
You need to get it spinning freely. When a big fish is on, it will expand and it could lock up.
If the sanding doesn't work, you need to swap out the bridge or sand the bottom of the sleeve.
Quote from: sdlehr on April 19, 2016, 03:21:10 PM
Needs to be pretty smooth without catching. Make sure there are no burrs inside the sleeve. If not you may have a bent bridge post. It doesn't take much.
Sid, have you had a need to bend back the post on the bridge? that's a delicate operation. If mine was out of square, I would toss it and get another.
Macarps, try removing the sleeve and rub the bottom of it on a piece of fine sandpaper. Make sure the sandpaper is sitting on a flat surface. No need to go crazy 20-30 times will cure it.
Sal
I've had a few sleeves that I had to work on to get the pin in. Sal's method will work. I've always filed the pin flat on one side like you did. Yours may need a little more filing to get it in without it binding the sleeve to the post. We need pic's so we can drool over the new build.
Bob
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 19, 2016, 04:35:34 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on April 19, 2016, 03:21:10 PM
Needs to be pretty smooth without catching. Make sure there are no burrs inside the sleeve. If not you may have a bent bridge post. It doesn't take much.
Sid, have you had a need to bend back the post on the bridge? that's a delicate operation. If mine was out of square, I would toss it and get another.
Sal
Nope. I'm sure it's a game of fractions of millimeters, and I would just chuck it and get a new bridge, too. If you look at my post I never suggested he do anything with it if it is bent. I was just trying to offer a suggestion for why it wasn't functioning properly.... :)
Sid
Quote from: sdlehr on April 20, 2016, 01:05:24 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 19, 2016, 04:35:34 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on April 19, 2016, 03:21:10 PM
Needs to be pretty smooth without catching. Make sure there are no burrs inside the sleeve. If not you may have a bent bridge post. It doesn't take much.
Sid, have you had a need to bend back the post on the bridge? that's a delicate operation. If mine was out of square, I would toss it and get another.
Sal
Nope. I'm sure it's a game of fractions of millimeters, and I would just chuck it and get a new bridge, too. If you look at my post I never suggested he do anything with it if it is bent. I was just trying to offer a suggestion for why it wasn't functioning properly.... :)
Sid
Yeah, same here... that's why I asked you and not accused you of doing so ;) :)
Alright, it's functioning great. Little bit of filing is all it took. She is greased and back together looking fantastic. Only problem is now I can't go into freespool. I think I have a corroded eccentric back causing it to hang. Shoulda spent that extra couple bucks. Anyone make these in stainless steel?
You might have the yoke in upside down. The sharper edge down toward the plate & the rounded edge up. Or the eccentric is under the yoke.
If you put the yoke back in as it came out, you just need to smooth the tabs on the eccentric jack. This is a common problem.
Just don't force the lever or you will break the tab off the plate.
Again, just lightly sand the tabs on the jack with fine sandpaper and it will slide in and out easily.