From reading other posts is seams like only the USA models can get the upgrades.
You can use the H Model upgrades. You just have the change the handle to the H model with the related hardware when using the SS sleeve.
So I would have to change the whole handle assembly in order to upgrade it?
You need to use a H handle style & screw when using the SS sleeve from the H model. All the inside parts are interchangeable.
What do you mean by the screw?
On the H model the screw that holds the handle on threads into the inside of the sleeve. The H2 and H sleeves and handles are not interchangable because of how the handles attach.
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/tackle/elec-tra-mate-98-114ss-stainless-steel-gear-sleeve-for-penn-114-115-26.jpg)
If you get the 114H/115L version of this, you will need to get the star, handle, and handle screw to make it work on your H2.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Sp0AAOSwq7JT0rPr/s-l300.jpg)
The main gear and drags will be the same, or you can upgrade to a ProChallenger set if your gear isn't steel. I'm not sure about the dog configuration as I haven't played inside of an H2.
Alright thanks guys think i have a good idea of what I need to do now. Ready to add some new features to this baby
Make sure the screws will come out now.
Which screws should I make sure of? And are the stars the same for the 114h and 114h2?
Is that an aluminum framed H2? Keith/Handi2 is referring to the sideplate screws. I shot PB Blaster in every screw to make removal easier. I still had to drill one head and unscrew it with pliers, so be careful trying to remove them.
ETA: I could be wrong(not sure on bearing clearances), but I believe you can just swap the sideplates out with that frame.
It's an aftermarket wide frame, not sure which one though looks like a tiburon but there's no markings on it. Picked it up on Craigslist
Only problem is that their is only 5 holes for the side plates
5 holes in the side plate should not be a problem. It should still be strong enough. Show a photo of the bottom of the frame so maybe it can be identified by the foot. The frame looks like a 114HLW Penn frame which is aluminum that is not the original frame on that reel but will work fine. By the way, your original star is the same on all 114 reels. Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on March 25, 2016, 03:41:54 PM
5 holes in the side plate should not be a problem. It should still be strong enough. Show a photo of the bottom of the frame so maybe it can be identified by the foot. The frame looks like a 114HLW Penn frame which is aluminum that is not the original frame on that reel but will work fine. By the way, your original star is the same on all 114 reels. Rudy
Thank you for the star clarification.
Quote from: Corpusmane on March 25, 2016, 02:36:54 PM
Only problem is that their is only 5 holes for the side plates
The rings should only have 5 holes and cover any extra holes on the older sideplates.
Try it out with the stock gears before making unneeded alterations. I have yet to see the bronze main gear tear out of 114H's or H2's unless you want to go to a higher ratio. The SS gear sleeve, dog, yoke is a good start. You can always go further at a later time. See if it does what you are looking for before spending money on something that you don't need. Pick up an adjustable power handle & custom knob from the aftermarket suppliers on this forum to go along with a SS gear sleeve. Rudy
Only pics I have of the reel , out of town right now. Think I'll go ahead and add an 114h handle and screw. Changing the drag washers, yoke, gears and sleeve. Is all this available on scottsbt?
Quote from: Corpusmane on March 25, 2016, 06:11:17 PM
Only pics I have of the reel , out of town right now. Think I'll go ahead and add an 114h handle and screw. Changing the drag washers, yoke, gears and sleeve. Is all this available on scottsbt?
I'm pretty confident that is a factory 114HLW aluminum frame. It's just missing the "Penn" sticker.
thought maybe aftermarket cause of the color was a metallic maroon
Quote from: Corpusmane on March 25, 2016, 06:11:17 PM
Only pics I have of the reel , out of town right now. Think I'll go ahead and add an 114h handle and screw. Changing the drag washers, yoke, gears and sleeve. Is all this available on scottsbt?
Don't forget the SS dog also. Scott's should have it all. Maybe try Alan T. or Triple Se7ens on the forum for the handle. AT has a nice knob also. The 6/0 would be the knob size that you would want.
I would need to see the right side plate, but I'm willing to bet you have a factory 114HLW with aluminum frame, not a 114H2. The HLW only has five holes like the 2, but if you take the ring off, the sideplate will have more holes. The bearing cup should be visible on the sideplate, and from what I can see in the pic, you have the regular handle screw, not the trapped version. I just did one exactly like it. It's wider than a 9/0, but the 9/0 has a larger diameter.
I bought a 114h2 and put it on this frame so it's for sure an h2
Can we see the other side, and is that the right side on the rod?
Right side
Quote from: Corpusmane on March 25, 2016, 08:06:52 PM
I bought a 114h2 and put it on this frame so it's for sure an h2
I would personally get an SS gear sleeve, handle/knob, handle screw/lock screw, proper sideplate screws, new drags, and SS dogs(cut the plate for the second, you've got an extra sideplate to practice on right? ;) ). I am excessive at times though and would probably get a steel gear as well. Most of that list can be gotten in one place:
http://store.scottsbt.com/PennParts/Penn114HLW.aspx
There are members here who have a lot of these available too.
I hope that you are not getting mixed up with the "extra" comments. I don't know how much experience you have with all the mods that are available but my advice is to start off slow & later decide if you need every mod available. You will never get the money back that some people try to get you to do everything. A lot of mods like double dogging aren't really neccessary. That's one of the last things you would want to do. Take small steps & don't get carried away with everybody else's ideas. It's your $money$ not theirs. A lot of the people don't put that kind of money in their reels but they will tell you to go all out. I feel that you don't have unlimited funds to do everything or you probably would have started with a new Tiburon frame which also isn't neccessery. By the way you do have a 114H2 just like you originally said & the frame you bought is a Penn 114 HLW that is faded from the sun, thus the color change. Good Luck on your build & keep us posted. Rudy
I appreciate everyone for the help. I probably will start slow and take it one thing at a time. Also the frame only has 5 holes, so maybe a newer model?
Quote from: Corpusmane on March 25, 2016, 09:51:06 PM
I appreciate everyone for the help. I probably will start slow and take it one thing at a time. Also the frame only has 5 holes, so maybe a newer model?
No, Penn only made that full aluminum frame for a couple of years & then discontinued it entirely. At the same time they also made a aluminum half frame which they also discontinued. The graphite half frames are junk IMO. The full frame was only made with 5 holes even though the plates that were mounted on them had 8 holes with 5 hole outer rings. Make sure that you grease the ends of the frame & plates where they come together because they can get hard to get apart after a period of time & salt. Also keep the screw holes in the frame well greased because I have seen a lot of those original Penn half & full aluminum frames with broken screws in them. Maybe that's why Penn discontinued them. Rudy
What drag set should I get, there are 5 options it looks like on mysticparts
Your original plates should have the latest style CF drags. It should have 2 eared & 3 keyed washers & 5 carbon fiber HT-100 washers. They just need to be greased with Cal's drag grease. The ultimite drag set up can be gotten from Adam at Three Se7ens in the directory on the first page of the forum. The kit is an insert with Dura-Drag style drags. At full crank down they will have more drag then you could possibly hold. But they will be smooth as butter up to & even over 30#. They have been tested to upwards of 60#. The stock drags are probably good for 23-25# max. but probably not smooth at max drag. Check Adam's web page & check out the handles available & check Alan T for a knob to go with it.
Any link to Adams website?
Start at the home page on this site.
Look to the far left as you scroll down. You will see all the vendors and private people with their goods for sale.
I don't know how to transfer it to this page. Go onto the homepage & scroll down to his listing in the vendors section near the bottom (Motive Fabrication). Or go to his personal info (Three Se7ens) & his website will be there.
I found them thank you, anyone know the difference between the standard and hex gearset from pro challenger?
If you get the hex gears you will have to fabricate your own drag washers. They were available way before the Versa-Style drags & insert was available. If you are not going to use the original CF drags then go for the Versa-Style w/insert. They both use the same gears.