Just pulled the trigger on a Black Senator 114 6/0, biggest reel ever ;D should get it next week
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/penn%20114_zpsph1ws31i.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/penn%20114_zpsph1ws31i.jpg.html)
What is out there for upgrades? It comes with a metal spool, will be changing that for an alu one what else?
Thanks, Marc..
SS gear sleeve, yoke, & dog. No gears available. 114H Tib or Accurate frame will fit. Same handles available for the 114H will fit. Not as many options as a 114H. If it has 3 washer drags, 5 washer drags are available from Scott's. Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on April 05, 2016, 01:29:56 AM
SS gear sleeve, yoke, & dog. No gears available. 114H Tib or Accurate frame will fit. Same handles available for the 114H will fit. Not as many options as a 114H. Rudy
Thanks a bunch Rudy 8)
Marc..
Looking at that picture Marc, you are going to need a handle side bushing as well.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on April 05, 2016, 01:41:33 AM
Looking at that picture Marc, you are going to need a handle side bushing as well.
Yup!! I hope the part is just missing
Was wondering, I know you use bigger Penn for the type of fishing you do(shark) How would that 114 fare ?
Marc..
Compared to a 9/0, I don't think it has the groceries. ;)
The smallest reel I bring is a 114H from the beach.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on April 05, 2016, 02:28:38 AM
Compared to a 9/0, I don't think it has the groceries. ;)
The smallest reel I bring is a 114H from the beach.
:D :D I see what you mean ;)
Thanks Daron
Some 6/0's could make a 9/0 crawl back in their hole ;)
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13855.msg140747#msg140747
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 05, 2016, 02:45:03 AM
Some 6/0's could make a 9/0 crawl back in their hole ;)
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13855.msg140747#msg140747
Sal
Wow!!Didn't remember seeing it. That was nice Sal 8)
Marc..
Two different Animals Sal. That is another one of a kind based on the 114H, not the 114.
The 114H Based Wex is a 9/0 on steroids, as is your unique reel.
The regular 114 just doesn't have the guts.
I have at least a half dozen Tanked 9/0's.
I really think they are the most powerful Senators there are in a compact package.
Until I get a 10 footer under my belt, I will be running 12 and 14/0's and a 9/0 on the side. ;)
Yup, the 114 is different animal... still very capable reel.
Marc, the 114 will make a great Grouper reel for the biggins. :D It will pull like a winch with it's 2 to 1 gearing.
I have one of these too. I need to make a drag kit for them as they are excellent grouper reels, but there is a need for a little bit more drag to stop those monsters.
Quote from: Marcq on April 05, 2016, 01:17:30 AM
Just pulled the trigger on a Black Senator 114 6/0, biggest reel ever ;D should get it next week
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/penn%20114_zpsph1ws31i.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/penn%20114_zpsph1ws31i.jpg.html)
What is out there for upgrades? It comes with a metal spool, will be changing that for an alu one what else?
Thanks, Marc..
Marc,
I don't think you can change over from the original Chrome / Brass spool over to the Aluminum one from a Penn 114 H . . .
The shafts are different, because the 114 uses Bushings and the 114H uses Ball-Bearings.
I have a very clean, original 114 Chrome/ Brass spool, if you are interested ?
If you have already gotten an Aluminum spool for a 114H, I would be willing to do a "straight swap", depending on the condition of the aluminum spool.
This is the difference between a 114 Spool and a 114H Spool . . .
114 is on the LEFT . . . 114H is on the RIGHT !
An Aluminum spool for the Black 114 is available Dave,
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/29L-114.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/29L-114.aspx)
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Quote from: Shark Hunter on April 05, 2016, 04:42:14 PM
An Aluminum spool for the Black 114 is available Dave,
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/29L-114.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/29L-114.aspx)
Phew!!I was sure I saw it available at scotts .I would have not gotten it with out being able to change for an aluminum spool
Dave! You got me questioned myself for a minute :-\ ;)
Marc..
Quote from: RowdyW on April 05, 2016, 02:16:15 PM
Marc, the 114 will make a great Grouper reel for the biggins. :D It will pull like a winch with it's 2 to 1 gearing.
Yeah that's what I was thinking with that low gearing 8)
Marc..
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 05, 2016, 02:44:53 PM
I have one of these too. I need to make a drag kit for them as they are excellent grouper reels, but there is a need for a little bit more drag to stop those monsters.
If not, anything close with a little modding that would fit?
Marc..
Marc,
Let me see what I can do with just changing the HT-100s to Carbontex.
Bryan
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 05, 2016, 05:37:19 PM
Marc,
Let me see what I can do with just changing the HT-100s to Carbontex.
Bryan
Cool 8)
Thanks, Marc..
What's it take to remove the spindle from a chromed bronze spool? Would it be possible to swap spindles to make a 114 spool usable in a 114h? Would it be worth the trouble?
I saw Sal knocked a spindle out of a plastic spool; it was just press-fit, maybe with some adhesive, but it was a very tight fit. These are of different construction. Are the spindles on these spools one-piece, or are they threaded into each end?
Sid
Why would you want to put a 114 spool in a 114H? Both options (aluminum & chrome/bronze) are already available for both reels.
Quote from: RowdyW on April 05, 2016, 07:31:56 PM
Why would you want to put a 114 spool in a 114H? Both options (aluminum & chrome/bronze) are already available for both reels.
Yep,
And any time I mess with a spool -- there is a good chance of it not ever running true again.
Once, I was able to straighten the end shaft on a 146 spool on a Squidder Jr. belonging to Aiala.
This takes at least ten minutes of careful observation, experience, luck, and knowing where another new replacement spool might be located.
This is a highly technical and classified operation involving a nylon faced hammer, and two careful blows.
We don't tell clients about this one.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: Shark Hunter on April 05, 2016, 04:42:14 PM
An Aluminum spool for the Black 114 is available Dave,
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/29L-114.aspx
I never knew Penn made an Aluminum Spool for the regular 114 . . . I still think it would be wise to give Scott's a call to confirm before plunking down $55 ( OUCH ) for a spool . . .
The reason I say that is it says "114 Fits All Versions" on Scott's website and I'm leery.
Also, it's possible that is for the newer "Chinese" Penn 114 reels . . . Have they made any changes ? Are they still "bushing" reels" ?
The SCHEMATIC for the 114L uses the word "BEARING" and not "BUSHING" fpr PRAT #'s 40 & 55 . . . ( ATTACHED )
http://www.tyeemarine.com/product/reels/saltwater-multiple-action/saltwater-reel-0 (http://www.tyeemarine.com/product/reels/saltwater-multiple-action/saltwater-reel-0)Tight Lines !
The spool will fit Dave . The 114H has a different part number. I have a few 114's with aluminum spools.
This is the 114HL for the 114H.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/29L-114HL.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/29L-114HL.aspx)
They actually made the Black 114 with a factory aluminum frame.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_23501_zps993d5e67.jpg)
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Quote from: ez2cdave on April 05, 2016, 11:04:31 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on April 05, 2016, 04:42:14 PM
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/29L-114.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/29L-114.aspx)
I never knew Penn made an Aluminum Spool for the regular 114 . . . I still think it would be wise to give Scott's a call to confirm before plunking down $55 ( OUCH ) for a spool . . .
The reason I say that is it says "114 Fits All Versions" on Scott's website and I'm leery.
Also, it's possible that is for the newer "Chinese" Penn 114 reels . . . Have they made any changes ? Are they still "bushing" reels" ?
http://www.tyeemarine.com/product/reels/saltwater-multiple-action/saltwater-reel-0 (http://www.tyeemarine.com/product/reels/saltwater-multiple-action/saltwater-reel-0)
Tight Lines !
Good idea! You never know. But the newer model spool don't share the same part number, like the 114h spool is 29L-114HL and more expensive, and the Chinese version is 29-114H2 and less expensive one
I will contact them
Thanks, Marc..
The SCHEMATIC for the 114L uses the word "BEARING" and not "BUSHING" fpr PART #'s 40 & 55 . . . ( ATTACHED )
Oops Daron you're too fast :D
The full frame I guess is no longer available?
Marc..
Quote from: ez2cdave on April 05, 2016, 11:36:11 PM
The SCHEMATIC for the 114L uses the word "BEARING" and not "BUSHING" fpr PART #'s 40 & 55 . . . ( ATTACHED )
Same with the Jigmaster they call it a bearing but its a bushing
Marc
Quote from: Marcq on April 05, 2016, 11:39:01 PMSame with the Jigmaster they call it a bearing but its a bushing
Marc
"Fingers crossed" . . . LOL !!!
Tight Lines !
You can clearly see the bushing on the handle plate.
I picked that one up a while ago Marc on an ebay Troll. ;)
I can put it in an old 6/0 just to make sure if you like.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on April 06, 2016, 12:04:21 AM
You can clearly see the bushing on the handle plate.
I picked that one up a while ago Marc on an ebay Troll. ;)
I can put it in an old 6/0 just to make sure if you like.
Don't bother Daron, going to try something different on this one, was just curious
Thanks, Marc..
Quote from: ez2cdave on April 06, 2016, 12:03:10 AM
Quote from: Marcq on April 05, 2016, 11:39:01 PMSame with the Jigmaster they call it a bearing but its a bushing
Marc
"Fingers crossed" . . . LOL !!!
Tight Lines !
;) Marc..
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/doen1/20160405_222233_zpskrwbeip1.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/doen1/media/20160405_222233_zpskrwbeip1.jpg.html)
And graphite frame with alum spool.
I believe last made before H2 version.
Daron if you every sell the full frame 114 , I'm interested.
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/doen1/Reel/20160416_124528_zpsncekolgo.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/doen1/media/Reel/20160416_124528_zpsncekolgo.jpg.html)
Thanks for that shot twotone. You Da Man!
Quote from: RowdyW on April 05, 2016, 07:31:56 PM
Why would you want to put a 114 spool in a 114H? Both options (aluminum & chrome/bronze) are already available for both reels.
Rudy, it was a hypothetical. I've been wondering how spools are constructed for a while. I started a thread asking for spool info and got no response.
Sid, check with Sal. He took a metal one apart with a little heat & whacked it with a mallet. He sent it to Tom (Cortez) and that's the last I heard of it. I think the shafts have a very slight taper & are probably assembled with a press in a jig to get it centered correctly. Rudy
Rudy, I saw that post, but I thought it was a plastic spool with a press-fit metal spindle. But I'm interested in the Penn spool history. What they made first, why it had problems, what they did to correct things, etc., etc. I'm going to find that post of a month or two ago and add photos of some of my spools to try to generate discussion. The mechanical problems driving the spool changes is what interests me most.
Rudy, you've been a busy beaver here tonight! Thanks for the PMs and help!
Sid
So I'm gathering parts, any larger star drag for that reel?
Marc..
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 05, 2016, 05:37:19 PM
Marc,
Let me see what I can do with just changing the HT-100s to Carbontex.
Bryan
Hey Bryan!! Just checking out, any development ? I'm about to put my 6/0 back together
Thanks, Marc..
Marc, that really looks great!
How do you make cf parts?
Steve
That looks Amazing Marc, You got skills. ;)
Wow, that carbon looks is amazing. Well done.
Wow! those spacer bars look awesome Marq!
thats two thumbs up right there!!
Very cool!
Really nice!
Pretty cool.
I thought about using some of the scrap carbon fiber wrap I had on a handle arm, but never got around to it. This is way cooler.
That is super slick work there Marq. I am looking into doing the same for the rod clamp for the Jigmaster, and you've given me some alternatives on how to go about it. Cheers!
Thanks again guys 8) The possibility are endless with the choice of different fabric
Quote from: Rothmar2 on April 24, 2016, 11:26:17 PM
That is super slick work there Marq. I am looking into doing the same for the rod clamp for the Jigmaster, and you've given me some alternatives on how to go about it. Cheers!
Thanks!! Funny you mention that, was just doing the exact same thing :D
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww177/Marc1956/20160424_164422_zpsqk4so68p.jpg) (http://s717.photobucket.com/user/Marc1956/media/20160424_164422_zpsqk4so68p.jpg.html)
Marc..
:D :D
Great minds, great minds!....as for this black duck, great for an average bloke.
Love the look and lightness to strength ratio of that carbon fiber.
Quote from: Marcq on April 21, 2016, 02:07:10 AM
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 05, 2016, 05:37:19 PM
Marc,
Let me see what I can do with just changing the HT-100s to Carbontex.
Bryan
Hey Bryan!! Just checking out, any development ? I'm about to put my 6/0 back together
Thanks, Marc..
I didn't have enough drag washers of both. :(
Quote from: Bryan Young on May 03, 2016, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: Marcq on April 21, 2016, 02:07:10 AM
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 05, 2016, 05:37:19 PM
Marc,
Let me see what I can do with just changing the HT-100s to Carbontex.
Bryan
Hey Bryan!! Just checking out, any development ? I'm about to put my 6/0 back together
Thanks, Marc..
I didn't have enough drag washers of both. :(
No problem Bryan
Thanks, Marc..
marc, very nice post. you just earned yourself a field promotion! ;D
Quote from: alantani on May 03, 2016, 04:29:13 PM
marc, very nice post. you just earned yourself a field promotion! ;D
:D :D thanks Alan
Marc..
Daron,
you're right those little 114H 6/0s can put a whupping on a big fish... Or shark.