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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn - Vintage => Topic started by: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 03:01:02 AM

Title: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: sdlehr on April 07, 2016, 03:01:02 AM
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Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: mo65 on September 19, 2016, 03:48:02 PM
  Does anyone know the speed difference between a Surfmaster 250 and the smaller Surfers? The 250 uses a #13-500 pinion...and the others all use a #13-200.  Or maybe I should have asked if there's a difference.  :-\
Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: sdlehr on September 20, 2016, 04:44:22 AM
Mo, according to Scott's they're all 3:1
Check it out here https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSurfmaster.aspx#specs  (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSurfmaster.aspx#specs)



Sid
Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: mo65 on September 25, 2016, 03:38:30 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on September 20, 2016, 04:44:22 AM
Mo, according to Scott's they're all 3:1

  I saw that too Sid...those specs sparked my curiosity. I think the different pinion used on the 250 slows it just a bit. When I check a 100, I get around 3.3:1, and about 3:1 for the 250. So close it hardly matters...BUT...a difference none the less! :D
Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: Alto Mare on September 25, 2016, 04:22:11 PM
I'm not sure what you have or what I have, but all the gears that I tested have 3.3:1 ratio.
The Surfmaster 100 pinion ( 13-200)  has 12 teeth, the main gear 5-60 has 40 teeth. 40 divided by 12 =3.3:1 ratio
The Surfmaster 250 pinion ( 13-500 ) ..............................................same...........................................................
The  Squidder                    ( 13-140)  ...............................................same...........................................................

The 13-200 will not work on the Surfmaster 250, or Jigmaster, the ID is too tight.
The 13-500 will work on the  Surfmaster 100 and obviously on the Surfmaster 250. It will feel a little too lose on the 100, but functional. I rather use the 13- 200 on those.
The 13-140 will not work on all except for the Squidder, the bottom part of the pinion is not drilled to accept a bushing.
We could make it work if we needed to, by drilling the bottom.

Confused yet? ;D
Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: Bill B on September 25, 2016, 05:21:26 PM
Clear as mud, brother  :D....gets confusing sometimes, just need to slow down and visualize....chanting helps too  ::) ummmm, ummmm, ummmm, ummmm  ;). Bill
Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: Ron Jones on September 25, 2016, 08:53:37 PM
Remember though, the bigger spool of the 250 will retrieve more than the smaller reels. Just to add to the confusion.
Ron
Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: mo65 on September 25, 2016, 09:26:22 PM
Quote from: noyb72 on September 25, 2016, 08:53:37 PM
Remember though, the bigger spool of the 250 will retrieve more than the smaller reels. Just to add to the confusion.
Ron

  Yep...that's what led me to researching...I was curious to see how much more line I'd retrieve on the 250. Now let's add even more confusion! I pulled in 20 inches of line with the 100, and 19 inches with the 250! Now that sounds ridiculous until you consider where I said my 250 appeared a bit slower. Hee hee...what a mess... 8)

Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: mo65 on September 25, 2016, 10:20:33 PM
  Ahh...did a bit more research. I took another look at the pinion in my 250. As this pic shows...it has 13 teef! :D This explains my 3:1 ratio...as 40 divided by 13 is 3.0769. I also saw Scott's said the #13-500 is a replacement for early 250s that use a #13-99...hmm...I can see I'm not loosing my mind just yet! 8)
Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: Ron Jones on September 26, 2016, 05:21:42 AM
Of course,
If you go much faster than 3:1 your bumping up against 4:1, which is a Jigmaster. For old style slow plastics, that pinion is perfect.
Ron
Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: Alto Mare on September 26, 2016, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: mo65 on September 25, 2016, 10:20:33 PM
  Ahh...did a bit more research. I took another look at the pinion in my 250. As this pic shows...it has 13 teef! :D This explains my 3:1 ratio...as 40 divided by 13 is 3.0769. I also saw Scott's said the #13-500 is a replacement for early 250s that use a #13-99...hmm...I can see I'm not loosing my mind just yet! 8)
Yep! found a couple of 13 teeth deep in my box as well. I'm guessing the older models had the 3.1:1 ratio, today all are 3.3:1.
Comparing the two, I would think it would be very hard to notice when fishing though.
Penn has been stating the 505 gears have a 5:1 ratio, those are actually 4.8:1. To me, too little to complain about  :)
Good investigation Mo!

Sal
Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: mhc on December 03, 2016, 01:06:52 PM
Does this mean we can put an older 13 tooth pinion into a jigmaster to change the ratio from 4:1 to 3.7:1? The 3.6:1 newell gears seem to be popular with some people.
Mike
Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: BryanC on December 04, 2016, 01:34:52 AM
Quote from: mhc on December 03, 2016, 01:06:52 PM
Does this mean we can put an older 13 tooth pinion into a jigmaster to change the ratio from 4:1 to 3.7:1? The 3.6:1 newell gears seem to be popular with some people.
Mike

I think so.  It was mentioned by Ratchet on this thread:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3076.msg20498#msg20498

I have a couple 13-99 pinions and have been meaning to try it myself, but have not gotten around to it yet.
Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: mhc on December 04, 2016, 02:14:10 AM
Thanks for the link Bryan - I must have missed (or forgotten) that post. I might give it a try, I think I've got a 13-99 somewhere.
Mike
Title: Re: 250 Surfmaster
Post by: foakes on December 04, 2016, 03:42:24 AM
I might try that also, when time allows --

Best,

Fred