(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/photoHumboldt/Penn%20112%20Black%20Side%20Plates%20Rootbeer%20Handle_zpsmnmhsuwg.jpg) (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/photoHumboldt/media/Penn%20112%20Black%20Side%20Plates%20Rootbeer%20Handle_zpsmnmhsuwg.jpg.html)
Drag is accessible from outside the reel. Tore it down and it still had all the original washers. Including that big sponge fiber washer. What is the drag conversion for this reel to carbon matrix? Does it use the same as the 112H? This is my first 112 so its all new to me. Thanks!
I believe that one uses the 6-113 washer. The 112H uses the 309 washer same with the 500.
You will want to get the following
1 ea. 4-60
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/4-60.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/4-60.aspx)
1 ea. 6-113SP
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6-113SP.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6-113SP.aspx)
2 ea. 8-60
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/8-60.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/8-60.aspx)
& you may want a new felt washer. Part # 140
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Specifically what is the replacement for:
140-112 Felt Washer
136-112 Pressure Plate Washer
The schematic says they are no longer available.
The 140 felt is no longer available according to the specs and it is not listed as a part available to order at scotts
Quote from: Tightlines666 on April 17, 2016, 04:36:37 AM
You will want to get the following
1 ea. 4-60
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/4-60.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/4-60.aspx)
1 ea. 6-113SP
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6-113SP.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6-113SP.aspx)
2 ea. 8-60
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/8-60.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/8-60.aspx)
& you may want a new felt washer. Part # 140
Any reel that uses 6-113 washers (3) will benefit from using 6-60 washers (5) to upgrade the drag stack. You will also need one more keyed & one more eared washer.
I guess this is the felt washer I was thinking of...
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/140-115.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/140-115.aspx)
Inside diameter should be similar, and you could always trim the outside to fit.
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Andy, why be so hard on yourself. My advice is go get a run of the mill 112 3/0 that doesn't have exposed drags, then no worries about felt washer.
....and look for one with longer handle as it increases the gear ratio ;) ;) ;)
Purdy
Ted,
Your collection always amazes me.
Bryan
Quote from: Maxed Out on April 17, 2016, 05:15:10 AM
Andy, why be so hard on yourself. My advice is go get a run of the mill 112 3/0 that doesn't have exposed drags, then no worries about felt washer.
....and look for one with longer handle as it increases the gear ratio ;) ;) ;)
:)
Your reels always put a smile on my face Ted.
Quote from: RowdyW on April 17, 2016, 04:40:34 AM
Any reel that uses 6-113 washers (3) will benefit from using 6-60 washers (5) to upgrade the drag stack. You will also need one more keyed & one more eared washer.
That's a good trick, didn't know about that.
Amazing, as usual, Ted --
I would have to grow longer arms to use that crank!
Thanks for sharing.
For you guys who may not know -- Ted possibly prepares and restores reels better than anyone in the world.
He sets the highest standard.
Best,
Fred
Ted, let me know if you have another of those handles, I have a new 49 that could use it. Any color but black would do.
thanks!
Sal
Quote from: Maxed Out on April 17, 2016, 05:15:10 AM
....and look for one with longer handle as it increases the gear ratio ;) ;) ;)
I get what you mean, but the gear ratio remains the same. It increases the torque you can apply to the drive shaft and would have the same feel as
decreasing the gear ratio;
the crank will be easier to turn, but you'll still retrieve the same amount of line per turn with the same gear ratio.
Just my 2 cents.
Sid
Quote from: sdlehr on April 17, 2016, 04:11:21 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on April 17, 2016, 05:15:10 AM
....and look for one with longer handle as it increases the gear ratio ;) ;) ;)
I get what you mean, but the gear ratio remains the same. It increases the torque you can apply to the drive shaft and would have the same feel as decreasing the gear ratio; the crank will be easier to turn, but you'll still retrieve the same amount of line per turn with the same gear ratio.
Just my 2 cents.
Sid
Here is another 2 cents from me.
You are correct Sid, a longer arm gives you more leverage, but the ratio is always the same.
From my crazy tests that I've been doing in the past, I've noticed a longer arm helped damaging the gears quicker.
A longer arm will also rack the reel back and forth, especially a larger reel while pulling heavy weight.
Most of the custom arms that I've requested are no longer that a 1/2" from the stock arms.
I believe Alan's custom arms are of the same length as stock. Alan probably already knew this and didn't tell us ;D.
With that said, i would still love to have that arm that Ted is showing on my new 49.
Sal
Problem to me, although it is a conversation piece -- not too practical unless the handle metal was beefed up to SS.
A stock Penn handle will flex and distort -- this will be even more so.
Just my opinion.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 17, 2016, 04:25:11 PM
Here is another 2 cents from me.
You are correct Sid, a longer arm gives you more leverage, but the ratio is always the same.
From my crazy tests that I've been doing in the past, I've noticed a longer arm helped damaging the gears quicker.
A longer arm will also rack the reel back and forth, especially a larger reel while pulling heavy weight.
Most of the custom arms that I've requested are no longer that a 1/2" from the stock arms.
I believe Alan's custom arms are of the same length as stock. Alan probably already knew this and didn't tell us ;D.
With that said, i would still love to have that arm that Ted is showing on my new 49.
Sal
Interesting, because we usually see rounding of the gear sleeve before damaging gears. In this case it's probably a difference between chronic and acute. It takes a while to round off a gear sleeve. That's from a chronic problem; it happens a little bit at a time, very gradually. Damaging gears happens with a sudden massive overload of the metal's capability to withstand the forces placed on it. Gears strip. That's an acute problem. If the gears didn't strip first the gear sleeve would likely be the next weakest link with this longer crank arm. Great to collect, not so great to fish with.... two different markets.
Sid
Gear damage doesn't always happen the same way. I've seen the tip of the pinion splitting even though it had the reinforced ring, while the teeth looked good on both. On others, I've seen the teeth distorted on both, pinion and main, sometimes only on the main gear.
About the damaged gear sleeve, in most cases it will still bring in the fish, the handle would still work, but will obviously need to be replaced.
I don't believe the earlier custom sleeves were heat treated, but I might be wrong.
To me a longer arm looks good, but not so good to fish with. I don't mind having mine a little longer, but most are only 1/2" longer than stock.
Sal
If you really want the felt washer for under the "top hat" metal washer I should have some. Only grease is needed there.
I'll look tomorrow and see if I have a nice chromed one piece "top hat" washer for that reel.
Quote from: handi2 on April 18, 2016, 12:04:56 AM
If you really want the felt washer for under the "top hat" metal washer I should have some. Only grease is needed there.
Thanks! The original cleaned up ok, I guess... Since I have zero experience with felt washers. Clean it with lighter fluid? Than re-grease it with cals?
Thanks Handi2
Andy
Quote from: steelhead_killer on April 18, 2016, 12:10:57 AM
Quote from: handi2 on April 18, 2016, 12:04:56 AM
If you really want the felt washer for under the "top hat" metal washer I should have some. Only grease is needed there.
Thanks! The original cleaned up ok, I guess... Since I have zero experience with felt washers. Clean it with lighter fluid? Than re-grease it with cals?
Thanks Handi2
Andy
I have cleaned them with a solvent (such as mineral oil), then soaked them in corrosion X. Seems to provide good results. Nothing wrong with some grease on the outside. The idea is to help provide a barrier against water intrusion.
These are great reels. I have 2 now. A shelfy and a user. A photo of the stock drag that came with mine and a photo of the new drag. and last is the reel with a jig master handle which is a bit bigger than the original and works well.
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/112%20drag_zpsnzkjssmn.jpg)
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/Carbontex%20drag_zpsu2ki7qwa.jpg)(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1030965_zpsa4wl4sma.jpg)
cheers
Basto
Well that reel cleaned up nice Basto - job well done .
Rgds
Matt...
Quote from: basto on April 18, 2016, 05:48:54 AM
These are great reels. I have 2 now. A shelfy and a user. A photo of the stock drag that came with mine and a photo of the new drag. and last is the reel with a jig master handle which is a bit bigger than the original and works well.
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/112%20drag_zpsnzkjssmn.jpg)
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/Carbontex%20drag_zpsu2ki7qwa.jpg)(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1030965_zpsa4wl4sma.jpg)
cheers
Basto
So where did you get the different CF drags in different thickness? Thanks by the way that diagram is great!
Quote from: Mattman NZ on April 19, 2016, 01:51:07 AM
Well that reel cleaned up nice Basto - job well done .
Rgds
Matt...
Thanks Matt
Yes, solid little Senators.
Not all of these 3/0 Senators come with 5 non metal drag washers. My other 3/0 came with 3 hard asbestos ones.
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/photoHumboldt/IMG_6745_zpspbe6ypuy.jpg) (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/photoHumboldt/media/IMG_6745_zpspbe6ypuy.jpg.html)
Looking good...well done. They are very similar to the Long Beach Deluxe reels that preceded them.
cheers
Basto