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Title: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: Newell Nut on June 12, 2016, 11:45:39 PM
Ever see one of these before? I have fished these waters out of Ponce Inlet for over 35 years and never heard of one. This was caught on the Pastime Princess next to me yesterday. Really cool looking fish.

(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/dwebb49/Albino%20Snapper_zpsuwofn1oa.jpg) (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/dwebb49/media/Albino%20Snapper_zpsuwofn1oa.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: handi2 on June 12, 2016, 11:50:30 PM
Wow that's crazy..!!
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: MarkT on June 12, 2016, 11:52:15 PM
Wild, it doesn't have a red eye either!
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: Tightlines667 on June 12, 2016, 11:56:42 PM
Wow.. that is pretty cool.  Would make a great mount.
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: conchydong on June 13, 2016, 12:01:08 AM
Never seen any Albino Snappers of any type and I have seen quite a few.  As a youth I commercial fished, even gill netted although I know that is not popular among most recreational fishermen . Did the angler just fillet it or did he/she  call the FWC to examine it first?
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: Newell Nut on June 13, 2016, 01:20:50 AM
He is planning to have a mount made. Took quick measurements and back in the water. No season for red snappers. Should end up on a magazine cover in a few months.
I received my FWC shirt two days ago for a tag call in on a red snapper. My fish from a few months ago had been tagged in Oct 2012 and had only moved 10 miles.
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: steelhead_killer on June 13, 2016, 01:25:30 AM
Wow!  Once in a lifetime fish!  Very cool!

Andy
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: erikpowell on June 13, 2016, 01:27:25 AM
Wow !   :o :o
That's a beauty.
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: Carnster on June 13, 2016, 10:35:01 AM
Yeah that's cool.
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: Alto Mare on June 13, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
Cool fish!!
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: conchydong on June 13, 2016, 12:57:50 PM
Quote from: Newell Nut on June 13, 2016, 01:20:50 AM
He is planning to have a mount made. Took quick measurements and back in the water. No season for red snappers. Should end up on a magazine cover in a few months.
I received my FWC shirt two days ago for a tag call in on a red snapper. My fish from a few months ago had been tagged in Oct 2012 and had only moved 10 miles.

I keep forgetting that you are in Federal waters up where you are. Where I live, ARS are caught in State waters although they are pretty much a rare catch. We may get one or two a year and they are usually short.
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: Keta on June 13, 2016, 01:45:25 PM
Wow!
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: sdlehr on June 13, 2016, 05:46:29 PM
Without a red eye you can't call it an albino (well, you can, but you'd be wrong).... but it's a beautiful marvel just the same!

Sid
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: anglingarchitect on June 13, 2016, 10:59:30 PM
So educate us Sid what is it if not albino?

Mark
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: RowdyW on June 13, 2016, 11:20:56 PM
I think that it would be classified as a mutation.
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: David Hall on June 14, 2016, 12:12:43 AM
Yep a Fukushima fish!
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: sdlehr on June 14, 2016, 01:35:19 AM
Quote from: anglingarchitect on June 13, 2016, 10:59:30 PM
So educate us Sid what is it if not albino?

Mark
I'm guessing leucism, but that's a wild guess https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiu-tKFsKbNAhXBFx4KHe_PDx4QFggcMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLeucism&usg=AFQjCNEqESMQ8j4ZGKzbHVQ1-Q59EuuWbA&sig2=1iJm-loPJY3qCXRJo3cEuA&bvm=bv.124272578,d.dmo

Sid
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: Tightlines667 on June 14, 2016, 01:44:32 AM
Quote from: sdlehr on June 14, 2016, 01:35:19 AM
Quote from: anglingarchitect on June 13, 2016, 10:59:30 PM
So educate us Sid what is it if not albino?

Mark
I'm guessing leucism...
Sid

Leucistic and hedonistic genetic variations are much more commonplace in the gene pool then albinism.  Interspecific variation also can occur.. especially among subspecies.. though this is not likely the case here.  Sometimes these things occur more frequently assoc8ated with generic bottlenecking which can be caused by population crashes or isolations.  Just remember correlation does not imply causation :)
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: David Hall on June 14, 2016, 05:38:50 AM
I'm sticking with my first guess.
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: sdlehr on June 14, 2016, 05:47:33 AM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on June 14, 2016, 01:44:32 AM
"hedonistic genetic variations"
John, I've heard of "Hedonistic Personality Disorder", but I don't recall this term being used in this context before.... Is this the term given to dolphin sexual behavior? Are there other species that exhibit this type of behavior?

Sid
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: Tightlines667 on June 14, 2016, 05:58:00 AM
Quote from: sdlehr on June 14, 2016, 05:47:33 AM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on June 14, 2016, 01:44:32 AM
"hedonistic genetic variations"
John, I've heard of "Hedonistic Personality Disorder", but I don't recall this term being used in this context before.... Is this the term given to dolphin sexual behavior? Are there other species that exhibit this type of behavior?

Sid

No it refers to a genetic variation which expresses physically as darker coloration in a typically l8ght colored species, or typically light colored parts.  For instance, here in HI, we often see Laysan Albatross which exhibit some dark coloration... they can be difficult to distinguish from a Laysan-Black footed Albatross (which is dark colored) hybrid.  Our observers have seen white colored Marlin.. how cool would that mount be?

John
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: sdlehr on June 14, 2016, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on June 14, 2016, 05:58:00 AM

darker coloration in a typically l8ght colored species, or typically light colored parts.
John
I thought that was melanism.
Quote from: Tightlines666 on June 14, 2016, 05:58:00 AM
Our observers have seen white colored Marlin.. how cool would that mount be?

John
Very cool, but I'd worry about them getting the paint color right in something seen this infrequently.
Sid
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: Newell Nut on June 16, 2016, 10:43:19 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on June 14, 2016, 01:44:32 AM
Quote from: sdlehr on June 14, 2016, 01:35:19 AM
Quote from: anglingarchitect on June 13, 2016, 10:59:30 PM
So educate us Sid what is it if not albino?

Mark
I'm guessing leucism...
Sid

Leucistic and hedonistic genetic variations are much more commonplace in the gene pool then albinism.  Interspecific variation also can occur.. especially among subspecies.. though this is not likely the case here.  Sometimes these things occur more frequently assoc8ated with generic bottlenecking which can be caused by population crashes or isolations.  Just remember correlation does not imply causation :)

FWC classified it as Leucistic due to black eyes.
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: akfish on June 17, 2016, 12:53:20 AM
We don't catch red snapper up here in SE Alaska, but we do catch yelloweye rockfish, a fish often erroneously called "red snapper." Yelloweye are bright red/orange, but occasionally -- like 1 in 50 or 100 fish -- they turn snow white when you bring them up. I was told by a fisheries biologist that it is a reaction to stress. It only happened to me once. The fish was snow white until I conked it on the head and bled it. Shorty after it died, it turned orange again. Had I released it, I would have thought it was a white yelloweye.
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: ez2cdave on August 11, 2017, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on June 12, 2016, 11:56:42 PM
Wow.. that is pretty cool.  Would make a great mount.

What fish ?
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on August 12, 2017, 09:58:36 AM
A fish without pigmentation :-\
Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: Steve-O on August 12, 2017, 06:59:21 PM
Sorry to crop you out as well, Dwight, but the star of the show was getting photo bombed by the paparazzi.

Amazing, very unique fish.

Title: Re: Albino Red Snapper
Post by: Dominick on August 14, 2017, 12:49:48 AM
It sure is a beauty.  Dominick