4500 5000 or 6000 to match with Phenix PSW-S808MH? thanks...
leaning towards 4500 but probably too small for the rod.
The Saltist is not a reel I am familiar with, but stay tuned I am sure some one will be chime in on which would work the best....Bill
Quote from: Potiguar on October 27, 2016, 11:28:01 PM
4500 5000 or 6000 to match with Phenix PSW-S808MH? thanks...
leaning towards 4500 but probably too small for the rod.
4500 is fine 300 something yards 40 braid is enough. Why you getting 8 footer? Fast taper Phoenix is gonna work you!
Warren
Quote from: Hamachi on October 28, 2016, 12:02:55 PM
Why you getting 8 footer? Fast taper Phoenix is gonna work you!
Warren
wassssssssssssssssssssssup Warren?
cast farther n will use at the coming nov 6 Phenix charter for throwing 2-4 oz lead heads/swim baits. hopefully will get the rod early next wk so can bring the rod with me to match it with diffrent reels for balance...btw thanks
Ok, Mel. Thought you were gonna use it for poppers on tuna or something. The 5000, 6000and 6500 have beefier drags. Either way it's a nice setup.
Warren, maraming salamat/arigato! :)
opted for cabo 60 ptse, will get saltist later... :D
i have the 80/Califorian 15-40 n used it tuesday on the Freelance out of Davey's locker tossing megabaits n savage gear's squish jig. I was really impressed 'cuz no glitches not even one wind knot.
Ygwypf as long as it's good enough, I guess so. Y u cheep out bradah? At least it's not an ugly stick.lol.
Quote from: Potiguar - AKA MeL B on October 30, 2016, 11:10:27 PM
opted for cabo 60 ptse, will get saltist later... :D
Kinda glad you didn't get the Saltist really. They are pretty weak construction in many areas.
While I have not serviced one yet, Daiwa seems to have addressed many of these flaws in the new Nero version.
But given the price, I am guessing that they prolly still have the same weak pinion and maingear.
I got an old 4500 here at the moment and the maingear is a doughnut!
The Seagate is a definite overall improvement in quality but once again the gearbox is pretty weak.
Daiwa really needs to beef up their mid range spinners. Shimano reigns supreme in this category at the moment.
Their current generation mid range spinners are very nice indeed.
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Quote from: Hamachi on October 31, 2016, 01:19:42 AM
Ygwypf as long as it's good enough, I guess so. Y u cheep out bradah? At least it's not an ugly stick.lol.
LMAO...
60PTSE received today;
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I'm a huge conventional saltist fan but to be honest I can't stand the spinning version. I've rebuilt a few of them and I wasn't impressed. It had the go through handle design. I also felt like it had too many parts. The gears felt really solid but the reel was a pain to disassemble. Perhaps I've just been conditioned to Shimano and Penn spinners. Nevertheless, I'd take a Cabo 60 over a saltist spinner any day.
Quote from: FatTuna on November 02, 2016, 05:48:40 AM
I'm a huge conventional saltist fan but to be honest I can't stand the spinning version. I've rebuilt a few of them and I wasn't impressed. It had the go through handle design. I also felt like it had too many parts. The gears felt really solid but the reel was a pain to disassemble. Perhaps I've just been conditioned to Shimano and Penn spinners. Nevertheless, I'd take a Cabo 60 over a saltist spinner any day.
From a service perspective, the Saltist is the a problematic reel. The maingear is soft metal and pressure from the handle flares out the shaft end requiring you to Dremel it back to it's original diameter to even have a chance of removing the LHS bearing. Even then it can be a PIA to separate - so much that I have even made a special jig for this. Broken maingears are quite common and I have even seen failed pinions too. Seagates have removable casing shrouds making for a lot easier service access.
Here is Alan Hawk's assessment of the Saltist: http://www.alanhawk.com/blog/wr15.html (http://www.alanhawk.com/blog/wr15.html)
"Again, Daiwa fails to produce anything worthy in this category. I haven't seen a Daiwa reel in this market slice that isn't bettered by competition. I will particularly mention the "Saltist" since it's frequently suggested as a mid priced high speed popping reel. The Saltist is essentially a reel that is bad both in design and execution. The handle is attached to the reel by an annoying hexagonal shaft design instead of a proper screwed shaft, and that requires re-tightening every once in a while. The gearing is soft and the reels develop a grinding feel after some use, the line roller tends to fuse and stop rotating, and the anti-reverse has reliability issues. This reel has been hovering right on the borders of my "Black List", yet it stays out by only a hair. There is a different "Saltist Nero" that's being introduced in some markets, but I am still to test one so my previous words apply only to the regular Saltist."
They have such great potential that it's really like a love hate relationship but in the end you are let down by some questionable design aspects and even worse material quality. I sometimes advise clients that their money would be better spent elsewhere as is the case with this reel.
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I never fished a saltist spinner, I've only rebuilt them. The gears always felt smooth to me but apparently that doesn't mean they are strong.....
To be honest, I've never really liked any of Daiwas spinning reels. I've never touched their high end stuff but all their low to mid priced spinners have never impressed me.
The Daiwa conventional reels however I'm a big fan of. The saltist 35 is one of my favorite reels. The Sealine is a really good value reel as well.
The Cabo isn't my favorite reel either but I like it a lot better. I have a Cabo PTSD. In general, I've encountered a lot of difficulty getting parts from Quantum. A lot of stuff gets discontinued quickly. They sent me the wrong parts more than once. The body on mine snapped once. I had to replace most of the bearings. Both gears had to be replaced. Now it works perfectly again so I love it. However, I know the next time it has an issue, I'm hosed.
Quote from: FatTuna on November 02, 2016, 08:32:35 AM
I never fished a saltist spinner, I've only rebuilt them. The gears always felt smooth to me but apparently that doesn't mean they are strong.....
To be honest, I've never really liked any of Daiwas spinning reels. I've never touched their high end stuff but all their low to mid priced spinners have never impressed me.
The Daiwa conventional reels however I'm a big fan of. The saltist 35 is one of my favorite reels. The Sealine is a really good value reel as well.
The Cabo isn't my favorite reel either but I like it a lot better. I have a Cabo PTSD. In general, I've encountered a lot of difficulty getting parts from Quantum. A lot of stuff gets discontinued quickly. They sent me the wrong parts more than once. The body on mine snapped once. I had to replace most of the bearings. Both gears had to be replaced. Now it works perfectly again so I love it. However, I know the next time it has an issue, I'm hosed.
The high end Daiwas are another thing entirely. They must come out of a vastly different factory as they are truly fine pieces of machinery. It's a shame that the Daiwa Spin Doctors (pun alert) hijack the names of their flagship reels and paste them on inferior models to promote sales. Such dishonesty ultimately only serves to promote distrust among consumers who end up bitterly disappointed in the Daiwa name.
The latest generation Shimano spinners are quite revolutionary in my view. Both the Saragosa SW and the Stradic FK are completely different reels to their predecessors which already enjoyed excellent reputations. The only thing they have in common is the name. Their internal design is very different, featuring big improvements. And now with a range of gearing to suit any application, I think that they are pretty much untouchable in this price bracket. While I can't remember the last time I serviced one, traditionally the Daiwa Certates also enjoy a very good reputation.
I hear what you say about parts availability for Quantum. This is also the case with other brands such as Pfleuger etc. For this reason, I generally advise people to stick with Daiwa and Shimano.
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Quote from: FatTuna on November 02, 2016, 08:32:35 AM
The Cabo isn't my favorite reel either but I like it a lot better. I have a Cabo PTSD.
I have the PTSE and not sure what the differences are, don't have a PTSD, but from the readings i've done on the internet it's a much improved CABO compared to the PTSD. With regards to parts hopefully before something breaks i'll have parts that needs to stock.
Maybe you have read Alan Hawk's review if not here's the link;
http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/cbo14.html
tight lines!
Quote from: exp2000 on November 02, 2016, 11:00:51 AM
Daiwa Certates also enjoy a very good reputation.
Thank God!
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;) ::) :)
tight lines!
I haven't done that much reading on it but I did have to call Quantum. They said the major difference is the gear set. There could be more but the reels look almost identical. I think a lot of the parts are interchangeable.
I've worked on a few other PTSDs and these are the reoccurring issues that I've come across: anti-reverse clutch failure, gear wear, broken crosswind block, bad bearings (specifically in the roller), I've seen two that had cracks in the frame.
It's definitely a good looking reel and I really like the handle. Puts out a good drag. I plan to keep mine it and fish it. I like the size.
FT probably parts are inter-changeable maybe schematics of both the same model will help...will do this myself later much later, 1st things first,
tight lines!