Hi y'all, I have a couple of senator 9/0s that I'm trying to set up to do some high speed wahoo trolling. I think ultimately I'll end up getting some tiagra two speeds but right now it's just not in the budget. I've been looking around here at some of the threads and seen one where Alan recommends a simple cleaning and a drag upgrade. I've even been to one of the parts stores online. My problem is there are sooooo many parts and numbers I don't know which one I need. It's quite overwhelming. Can anyone give me some help with exact part numbers and sources to buy from? Whatever I need for the drag upgrade, drag lube, and other lube or parts I need for the upgrade.
Thank you so much for your help
Kevin
Scott's, Smooth Drag, Bryan, Adam, Cal's drag grease.
You won't need part numbers since these are non-factory upgrades.
You can probably fill your grocery list with these 5 -- without breaking the bank -- and a couple of these may have eferything you need --
There is plenty of help here for anything you might need.
Best & Welcome!
Fred
Thank you Fred,
So maybe it's not as difficult as I had originally thought.
I've never been into one of these reels but I've rebuilt engines so I'm thinking I can figure it out. But is it difficult for a first timer? Or are there special tools I will need?
Thanks again
This is a stock drag kit.
I would look inside first. It might already be in there.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6-114HSP.aspx
The only other item would be some Cal's Grease for the drag washers.
https://www.mysticparts.com/LubesCleaners/Cals2Speed/T1oz.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/LubesCleaners/Cals2Speed/T1oz.aspx)
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Only special tool would be a Penn handle wrench for the crank nut.
If you don't have one -- let me know, and I will send you one at N/C.
After you are on here for awhile and do a tutorial -- Alan may send you a really special custom wrench.
Everything else is just screwdrivers, etc..
Best,
Fred
Thanks a bunch guys! The nut wasn't too tight so I got it off with an adjustable wrench.
So you are saying that stock it should have ten pieces? How many for after market? So far I've gotten 7 pieces out and can see another of the fiber looking discs in there. Having a tough time getting that one out. It doesn't look like there is too much more in there though.
Thanks again guys!
Ok so I got all of them out. There appears to be 4 metal washers, 3 fiber washers, and one felt washer. So I'm guessing that is stock? What is the drag set up I need to go with? Thanks guys.
You have the really OLD 3-stack drag washer set-up. You could go with a 5-stack from MysticParts.com or my 7-stack kit. Depending on what you are fishing for, the 5-stack is sufficient and good for about 25# of drag. Plenty of drag for most if it all applications. If you want or need a little more, I have my 7-stack food for about 35# of drag max (I'd say more like a comfortable 30# of drag).
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Four-by, what's your 20? Are you gonna pull a planer or the 16 knots high speed? Either way, get Bryan's 7 stack for this application. I used a 9/0 until I went to 80's. If your drags are that old, it is likely you have a steel rather brass main gear. Add the SS gear sleeve and you will have a beast that should handle what you want to do. I set mine with several hundred yards of heavy braid as we let the bombs out a good 250-300 yds at 16 knots to keep them wet, topped by 100-150 feet 130 mono as a shock absorber. The lures we are using weigh 2 lbs or so, so we aren't using trolling leads.
John
Ok cool. Bryan how can I order these 7 stack kits? I don't know how to contact you. And I'm in Augusta ga
Were not pulling planers but big 3-4 pound lures at prolly about 16 knots. Not sure yet we're just getting into this high speed trolling
Thanks for all the help guys!
Quote from: 4x4man514 on January 10, 2017, 08:39:03 PM
Ok cool. Bryan how can I order these 7 stack kits? I don't know how to contact you. And I'm in Augusta ga
Were not pulling planers but big 3-4 pound lures at prolly about 16 knots. Not sure yet we're just getting into this high speed trolling
Thanks for all the help guys!
I sent you a PM.
Quote from: thorhammer on January 10, 2017, 02:29:29 PM
Four-by, what's your 20? Are you gonna pull a planer or the 16 knots high speed? Either way, get Bryan's 7 stack for this application. I used a 9/0 until I went to 80's. If your drags are that old, it is likely you have a steel rather brass main gear. Add the SS gear sleeve and you will have a beast that should handle what you want to do. I set mine with several hundred yards of heavy braid as we let the bombs out a good 250-300 yds at 16 knots to keep them wet, topped by 100-150 feet 130 mono as a shock absorber. The lures we are using weigh 2 lbs or so, so we aren't using trolling leads.
John
I'm kind of going off topic here, but I'm curious about high speed trolling with heavy lures and a 9/0 (or any star drag reel for that matter). Specifically, I'm wondering about feeding the lure back and putting the reel in gear. I can't imagine slamming a reel into gear with a heavy lure ripping line out at 16 knots on a star drag reel set at 15-20 lb of drag (which I imagine is needed to hold the lure when trolling that fast). Do you back the drag down when letting line out to prevent the pinion from getting damaged when putting the reel into gear? Or do you back the drag way down and let line out with the reel in gear, and then just crank down the drag star when it is back far enough?
If you need more drag than Bryans kits, my insert drag kit maxes out around 65-70 lbs, and stays very smooth past 35 lbs of drag. Sal tested them here. (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13341.0) I still have a few kits left, PM me if youre interested.
I built a reel 9/0 specifically for trolling wahoo for Ryan.
Here is the thread.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17029.0
Hey three se7ens, I sent you a pm about your drag kit.
A 9/0 for wahoo? IMO that's way over kill. A standard 113H, maybe with upgraded drags should handle the hoo's easily, of course that's depending what you drag for lures. I have seen people catch and I have pulled on wahoo caught on way smaller reels than a 9/0 but if that is what works in your area that's cool.
Why such a big reel for fish that don't fight that hard, just wondering?
If its east coast style high speed trolling, you are looking at 10-15 lbs of drag just to keep the lure from pulling line, and 25+ lbs to winch the fish in if the boat wont slow. And you still need enough capacity to handle runs from the fish. From what Ive seen, the minimum recommended reel is a 50 size for high speed wahoo trolling here, with most preferring an 80 or 80w.
I get it on the East coast if you hook a wahoo the boat wont stop. Who cares if there is other fish in the school?
Granted most wahoo don't school in big numbers or by the time you hook a fish the school has not moved, but can't they wait to see if more fish can be hooked on bait?
Don't get me wrong, what works for the area you fish is fine. But, if the boat tried anything like that here on the left coast they would not have many riders. "We hooked a fish but we are not stopping, sorry" would not fly here....lol
I'm sure private boat fishing is different there. Looking to drag lures all day is fine, but if you have a hook up and the boat wont stop, what the heck?
I only troll around 12-14 knots for the hoo so I'm sure that plays a roll. Still IMO a 9/0 is not needed here, but there is more than one way to catch fish.
Quote from: Three se7ens on February 17, 2017, 03:15:58 AM
If its east coast style high speed trolling, you are looking at 10-15 lbs of drag just to keep the lure from pulling line, and 25+ lbs to winch the fish in if the boat wont slow. And you still need enough capacity to handle runs from the fish. From what Ive seen, the minimum recommended reel is a 50 size for high speed wahoo trolling here, with most preferring an 80 or 80w.
x2 and you dont know what your going to hook
Quote from: SoCalAngler on February 17, 2017, 03:43:33 AM
I get it on the East coast if you hook a wahoo the boat wont stop. Who cares if there is other fish in the school?
Granted most wahoo don't school in big numbers or by the time you hook a fish the school has not moved, but can't they wait to see if more fish can be hooked on bait?
Don't get me wrong, what works for the area you fish is fine. But, if the boat tried anything like that here on the left coast they would not have many riders. "We hooked a fish but we are not stopping, sorry" would not fly here....lol
I'm sure private boat fishing is different there. Looking to drag lures all day is fine, but if you have a hook up and the boat wont stop, what the heck?
I only troll around 12-14 knots for the hoo so I'm sure that plays a roll. Still IMO a 9/0 is not needed here, but there is more than one way to catch fish.
a really fun day fishing with my dad at the lake
Sorry for the late reply I just saw this latest post. We do drag at least 4 to 5 pounds of weight around plus really big lures. All at 15 to 25 knots. My last trip we had one with about 28 to 30 pounds of drag on it and it wouldn't hold past 8 to 10 knots. Steadily creeping line off. So we're having to step it up a notch. As for the not stopping when we have a fish, that's more because with the heavy weights and long leaders, any slack and hoos will shake off.