I am having difficulty locating philip type screw drivers to fit my Shimano low profile and round baitcasting reels. Seems all of mine are to pointed and I end up trying to use larger sizes to keep from stripping the original screws. There's one screw by the line guide on my Calais 201A which must be accessed thru a tiny port in the side plate and I can't find a screwdriver that has a thin enough shaft diameter, which is also long enough to reach the screw. Alan are these screw a size 1# or 2# philips or a special type of cross tipped type driver. I love the forum and wish to thank you and all the readers in advance for your support. :(
For Philips screwdrivers, I haven't found any that I prefer over the Sears Craftsman line. They just seem to fit the screws the best, especially the number 2. My two cents.
Thanks Norcal I just ordered 3 craftsman philip type screwdrivers
#0 X 3
#1 X 6
#2 X 8
I am also considering purchasing Alan's bearing greaser, I just sent an email.
Craftsman tools are great, if you don't have a set of tools you may want to buy a mechanics tool set.They have all kinds of tools in the set and are on sale often.Also if you don't need all the wrenches and sockets they have screwdriver sets that come with almost all you will need(also often on sale). 8)
Craftsman !!!
On the Calais & most other small/med Low Pro & round reels...
I use a straight slot driver to break them loose & torque down.
Most reels have the double slots for Straight & Philips head drivers...
Have the same issue with Philips slipping/stripping (even the Craftsman) so the Straight slot driver works better for torque for me.....
I was at a club thing one time doing some reel work for the guys.
An Auto Mechanic buddy walked over, looked at my mix matched old drivers and said:
Man your in desperate need of some quality updated screw drivers!!
Didnt realize it till I heard him say that, now I feel OLD!!! LMAO
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Am I crazy or what. Why in the world would Shimano have these screws made which do not fit any phillips screw drivers you and I can purchase. I must assume only Shimano makes the screwdrivers to fit their screws properly so as not to strip. Of course they don't market or sell the tools to work on them. Maybe I am over thinking this, are the JDM phillip head screw drivers made to fit? Any one with any insight? ???
Quote from: lpquick on April 19, 2011, 04:16:20 AM
Am I crazy or what. Why in the world would Shimano have these screws made which do not fit any phillips screw drivers you and I can purchase. I must assume only Shimano makes the screwdrivers to fit their screws properly so as not to strip. Of course they don't market or sell the tools to work on them. Maybe I am over thinking this, are the JDM phillip head screw drivers made to fit? Any one with any insight? ???
They wouldn't be the first manufacturer to use non-standard hardware. >:( Nothing like being proprietary about your stuff! :-\ Anyway, I have found a few screws that quality, standard-sized screwdrivers don't work well on. Like Nessie Hunter suggests, if you have dual-head screws and a flat bladed screwdriver fits better, that may be the way to go. When I need a precision fit for slotted screws I use my gunsmithing screwdrivers to break 'em loose and final tightening. Always make sure the tool is lined up with the head for the best bite.
Hope some of this helps.
Rob
I stopped using Phillips bits/screwdrivers on my reels years ago. I find Pozidriv get a better grip with less slipping. Pozidriv No 1 fits most "Phillips" type screws on small/medium size reels.
Quote from: Irish Jigger on April 19, 2011, 09:07:37 AM
I stopped using Phillips bits/screwdrivers on my reels years ago. I find Pozidriv get a better grip with less slipping. Pozidriv No 1 fits most "Phillips" type screws on small/medium size reels.
Good one! Thanks Irish Jigger! ;)
Quote from: Irish Jigger on April 19, 2011, 09:07:37 AM
I stopped using Phillips bits/screwdrivers on my reels years ago. I find Pozidriv get a better grip with less slipping. Pozidriv No 1 fits most "Phillips" type screws on small/medium size reels.
Thanks Irish Jigger going to order a #1 Pozidriv and a #1 Supadriv to test out.
I'll post again after my little test. I am learning something new everyday. :o
i usually think of pozidrive heads and snow skis. used to work on skis a little in this ski club i was in. that's how i met my wife.
A company called micro- tools carries a pretty good selection of small hand tool also. They are geared to the camera repair field. You may be able to search them out.
I started using these years ago on reels. They're actually for firearms but they work great on reels. You get hollowground flatheads, an assortment of phillips and trorx heads.
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=41571/Handle_1079=84+Hollow/Product/MAGNA_TIP_reg__SCREWDRIVER_SETS#skugrid
You just can't beat the quality of a set of wiha screwdrivers. I mostly work on freshawter reels and a lot of those use smaller screws or use small access holes. My wiha set is the only ones that fit the shimano reels.
http://www.wihatools.com/pro_Precision.htm
So much more then screwdrivers, I need a Shaft Pin remover tool!!!
Im sure many of you have had issues with these darn, dreaded, hated Shaft pins also.
There are apparently a few on the market, very hard to come by anything with a little quality or good reviews....
I ran across the Link below (actually sent to me by a customer) Man I wanted them instantly.
Have a buddy who's wife returns home to Japan yrly, and he was looking into them for me, maybe have his Bro In Law order and ship to U S???
Then Japan fell into the sea!!! ?
Kind of gave up on it, But still need them or similar tool Badly!!!
http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b120286629#enlargeimg
Think this link still works.. Need translator. The online translators work, till you get past signing in to account..
Then I cant talk to seller!!!
Then the Quake & Tsunami & sort of gave up!!!
Any of you know of any tools like this that actually work ?
Or can get to the seller here. Says he doesnt ship internationally, but I can (Maybe) get a local Address with forwarding to U S (Buddies Bro-in-law in Japan).....
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Quote from: Pro Reel on April 21, 2011, 12:19:05 PM
You just can't beat the quality of a set of wiha screwdrivers. I mostly work on freshawter reels and a lot of those use smaller screws or use small access holes. My wiha set is the only ones that fit the shimano reels.
http://www.wihatools.com/pro_Precision.htm
x2 Great little screwdrivers,I just love mine.
Quote from: Nessie Hunter on April 21, 2011, 05:42:01 PM
So much more then screwdrivers, I need a Shaft Pin remover tool!!!
Im sure many of you have had issues with these darn, dreaded, hated Shaft pins also.
There are apparently a few on the market, very hard to come by anything with a little quality or good reviews....
I ran across the Link below (actually sent to me by a customer) Man I wanted them instantly.
Have a buddy who's wife returns home to Japan yrly, and he was looking into them for me, maybe have his Bro In Law order and ship to U S???
Then Japan fell into the sea!!! ?
Kind of gave up on it, But still need them or similar tool Badly!!!
http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b120286629#enlargeimg
Think this link still works.. Need translator. The online translators work, till you get past signing in to account..
Then I cant talk to seller!!!
Then the Quake & Tsunami & sort of gave up!!!
Any of you know of any tools like this that actually work ?
Or can get to the seller here. Says he doesnt ship internationally, but I can (Maybe) get a local Address with forwarding to U S (Buddies Bro-in-law in Japan).....
Just replaced the spool bearing on my Trinidad TN16. Removed the pin as follows. Cut a short length of steel brake pipe tubing. Squeeze one end flat and grip vertically in bench vice with open end uppermost. Hold spool carefully and locate pin in tube. Use pin punch and light hammer to punch out pin which should now be contained in tube. Use the tube again when replacing pin. Good luck!
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sometimes the pins are very stubborn. careful, though, because too much pressure can bend the pin or mushroom the end. that's why i prefer small visegrips. it allows you to apply a precise amount of pressure. get the small 6 to 7 inch model with a straight jaw, grind the jaws flat to get rid of the "teeth" and then cut a slot in back side the bottom jaw to accomodate the cross pin.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/4/1_24_04_11_1_16_36.jpeg)
Quote from: Nessie Hunter on April 21, 2011, 05:42:01 PM
So much more then screwdrivers, I need a Shaft Pin remover tool!!!
Im sure many of you have had issues with these darn, dreaded, hated Shaft pins also.
There are apparently a few on the market, very hard to come by anything with a little quality or good reviews....
I ran across the Link below (actually sent to me by a customer) Man I wanted them instantly.
Have a buddy who's wife returns home to Japan yrly, and he was looking into them for me, maybe have his Bro In Law order and ship to U S???
Then Japan fell into the sea!!! ?
Kind of gave up on it, But still need them or similar tool Badly!!!
Nessie have you seen these before
(http://www.japantackle.com/Tuning_parts/Hedgehog_PinRemover.png)
Here's the link to the webite
http://www.japantackle.com/Tuning_parts/tuning_bearings.htm (http://www.japantackle.com/Tuning_parts/tuning_bearings.htm)
I am considering ordering a pair, I purchase a handle upgrade for my new Calcutta TEC201DC recently. They are an excellent co. to do business with. Let me know if this helps.
Great little pin removing tool there.
WOW, great little tool, thats all I would need, looks like it would work great..
Thanks..... :o
Quote from: lpquick on April 26, 2011, 11:50:38 PM
Quote from: Nessie Hunter on April 21, 2011, 05:42:01 PM
So much more then screwdrivers, I need a Shaft Pin remover tool!!!
Im sure many of you have had issues with these darn, dreaded, hated Shaft pins also.
There are apparently a few on the market, very hard to come by anything with a little quality or good reviews....
I ran across the Link below (actually sent to me by a customer) Man I wanted them instantly.
Have a buddy who's wife returns home to Japan yrly, and he was looking into them for me, maybe have his Bro In Law order and ship to U S???
Then Japan fell into the sea!!! ?
Kind of gave up on it, But still need them or similar tool Badly!!!
Nessie have you seen these before
(http://www.japantackle.com/Tuning_parts/Hedgehog_PinRemover.png)
Here's the link to the webite
http://www.japantackle.com/Tuning_parts/tuning_bearings.htm (http://www.japantackle.com/Tuning_parts/tuning_bearings.htm)
I am considering ordering a pair, I purchase a handle upgrade for my new Calcutta TEC201DC recently. They are an excellent co. to do business with. Let me know if this helps.
Part of the problem is not all cross head screws are Phillips and using a phillips screw driver in, say, a Frearson screw causes trouble. The Phillips head is designed to "cam out" under torque. Sound familiar?
Phillips
Created by Henry F. Phillips, the Phillips screw drive was purposely designed to cam out when the screw stalled, to prevent the fastener damaging the work or the head, instead damaging the driver. This was caused by the relative difficulty in building torque limiting into the early drivers.
The American Screw Company was responsible for devising a means of manufacturing the screw, and successfully patented and licensed their method; other screw makers of the 1930s dismissed the Phillips concept because it calls for a relatively complex recessed socket shape in the head of the screw — as distinct from the simple milled slot of a slotted type screw.
There are five relatively common (and two rather uncommon) Phillips drive sizes that are different from the screw size; they are designated 000, 00, 0, 1, 2, 3, and 4 (increasing in size).[3][5]
Frearson
The Frearson screw drive, also known as the Reed and Prince screw drive, is similar to a Phillips but the Frearson has a more pointed 75° V shape.[6] One advantage over the Phillips drive is that one driver or bit fits all screw sizes. It is often found in marine hardware and requires a Frearson screwdriver or bit to work properly. The tool recess is a perfect, sharp cross, allowing for higher applied torque, unlike the rounded, tapered Phillips head, which was designed to cam out at high torque. It was developed by an English inventor named Frearson in the 19th century and produced from the late 1930s to the mid-1970s by the Reed & Prince Manufacturing Company now of Leominster, Massachusetts. [7]
I always wondered what the history was behind the Reed-Prince screws. I still see some applications for them. :)
Thanks!
Quote from: Pro Reel on April 21, 2011, 12:19:05 PM
You just can't beat the quality of a set of wiha screwdrivers. I mostly work on freshawter reels and a lot of those use smaller screws or use small access holes. My wiha set is the only ones that fit the shimano reels.
http://www.wihatools.com/pro_Precision.htm
BEST TOOLS made just ask any tool and die maker.
I wonder if These are the screws they are using.
I have never heard of them but I ordered a set of drivers today.
Japanese Industrial Screwdriver or JIS screws
Paul
For screwdrivers, I use one of these Chapman sets (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=11209/pid=4979/Product/DELUXE-GUN-SCREWDRIVER-SET?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&mc_id=10000&gdftrk=gdfV21820_a_7c187_a_7c3466_a_7c172890000_d_172890000_d_11584), particularly on collectible reels where I don't want to risk buggering up the screw slots. There's a wide variety of sizes, and the shape of the driver allows you to get a very positive fit in the screw slot with lots of contact area.
Somewhere else on the board there's a thread about Japanese Industrial Screwdriver or JIS screws that are similialary different to a phillips, they are used by asian mfgrs in stuff like computers, copiers, and possibly fishing reels......http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3056.0
I have a new diawa tatula 300. I needed to get to the level wind pawl. Wow there are some different type screws holding this reel together! A blade type works but just barely. reading this thread a posidriv might work. the screws are small,at 1st glance I thought squaredrive, then torx,no go. a blade with a centering pin would work well .
Are you looking for a spool shaft removing tool? The best thing going are ReelSpeeds Pin Pliers. Or you can make one out of an old set of vise grips per Alans instructions.
Keith
What Seaeagle said above. I don't know the reel but the screws are probably JIS and you need JIS screwdrivers. You'll ruin them with a Phillips head.
-steve
x2 what Steve said
Quote from: jcallaham on December 12, 2020, 12:14:13 PM
I have a new diawa tatula 300. I needed to get to the level wind pawl. Wow there are some different type screws holding this reel together! A blade type works but just barely. reading this thread a posidriv might work. the screws are small,at 1st glance I thought squaredrive, then torx,no go. a blade with a centering pin would work well .
Daiwa uses a proprietary screw head on their low profiles, but any high quality 4mm wide standard will get them out. To complicate things, they use blue Loctite on them at the factory. A cheap screwdriver will damage the head, so stay away from any Harbor Freight/no name Amazon screwdrivers. I have a Wiha 4mm that works like a charm, and it's significantly cheaper than Daiwa's special 4mm screwdriver, by a long shot. I believe Daiwa charges something like $35 for that one, and you can get a whole 8 driver kit of the Wiha screwdrivers for that.
Thanks for that info tincanary. yes, I got them out and back in with a blade,but it was nerve racking. So easy to slip and do damage.I will have to find a set of wiha's.