Just opened this reel up and here is what I found:
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(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/20170119_113705.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/20170119_113705.jpg.html)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/20170119_113713.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/20170119_113713.jpg.html)
I have no doubts this happened with a powered screwdriver, those just can't be trusted.
You guys do as you wish,I'm sticking with a manual screwdriver.
Sal
It takes a light touch. With my bad hands I run them in loose and then tighten them by hand.
Sal my hands hurt each morning after non stop assembly. I use the Milwaukee M5 with the clutch all the way down. Its only hand tight because Ive been using it for 4 years now. With the clutch all the way down on my new one it is to tight for carefull assembly.
For you guys with arthritic hands you may want to try this tool. 080-000-513WB
Magna-Tip Ratchet Handle
Mfr Part: WRST4 From www.brownells.com
Joe
Here is a better link and photo Joe.
http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/screwdrivers-sets/magna-tip-handles/magna-tip-ratchet-handle-sku080000513-26298-51857.aspx?sku=080000513 (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/screwdrivers-sets/magna-tip-handles/magna-tip-ratchet-handle-sku080000513-26298-51857.aspx?sku=080000513)
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I'm with you, Sal! Non-vintage reels will have minimal collectible value down the line if the screw heads are all buggered, threads stripped or plates and/or bodies all scratched & scraped, but then I'm into old reel collecting. ;) I'd be a pretty irritated client, though, if my fairly new reel came back all buggered up. :(
Quote from: handi2 on January 19, 2017, 05:08:09 PM
Sal my hands hurt each morning after non stop assembly. I use the Milwaukee M5 with the clutch all the way down. Its only hand tight because Ive been using it for 4 years now. With the clutch all the way down on my new one it is to tight for carefull assembly.
I would understand in your case Keith.
This isn't about knowing how to use a power drive, I've been using power tools for over 40 years.
I've tried different ones, all to me have the lowest torque settings too high for these reels.
I was doing as Lee mentioned, stopping before it gets tight and proceed with a handheld screwdriver, that got old quick.
I will proceed doing mine by hand, for you guys that depend on power drivers... be careful.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 19, 2017, 05:45:03 PMfor you guys that depend on power drivers... be careful.
Sal
Yup.
When I was a powerhouse mechanic I would give the wiremen hell about using power screwdrivers until I was told that carpel tunnel was a issue for them. I still gave them hell about carrying their tools in a purse though.
Good advice, Sal --
And you are absolutely right about the damage a power driver can do.
Over the years, I have and continue to use both a power driver and manual drivers -- each has its place.
For me, it boils down to the reel -- is it a valuable collector -- or a charter winch on a cattle barge?
If I am doing a dozen reels for a Charter operation -- Penn GTIs, LBs, Jigs, etc. -- I can disassemble a reel completely, separate it into solutions for the ultrasonic -- clean it for 9 minutes -- rinse and dry -- reassemble in 25 minutes. Plus be working on the next disassemble while the first one is being cleaned. With a power driver, full disassembly down to the last small part takes 5 minutes, max...
I never use a power driver on a new build such as a Quick, ABU, Mitchell, International, Pro-Gear, Accurate, Avet, Cortez Build, and anything that a scratch may diminish the value of.
On small newer spinners -- I never use the power driver -- since the screws are typically cheap zinc phillips.
My best power driver is a Milwaukee M12 -- had it for 8 years of constant use on reels as well as any carpenter, electrician, or handyman use -- bulletproof...I keep it on the lowest clutch setting, and can hold and activate the clutch with my fingers. Variable from 0-500 RPMs.
Even with the power driver, I finish up the final assembly, testing of functions, and torquing screws before bagging with a manual driver -- because I know where the screw should snug up by feel -- like most of us.
Like most of us, I have hundreds of screwdrivers -- and one of my favorites is this Craftsman ratchet driver that I bought nearly 30 years ago. I can keep constant and steady pressure on the screw -- without moving it from the slotting. Forward, reverse, or manual setting in the middle.
And like most of us -- I know how to handle a power driver -- all of the speeds, clutching -- pressure needed -- feathering the trigger -- small bursts instead of full out speed -- the feel for the screw and material it is going into -- using it as a leveraged manual screwdriver to break the bond initially, then just easing the screw out with steady pressure -- knowing when to back off -- and probably a dozen other things that are just natural as we know our tools well.
However, a manual driver is still my go to driver for the majority of my work with the exception of mass production of reels for charters --
Just my opnions...
Best Always,
Fred
Here is an excellent tool also. http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/wrenches/general-wrenches/magna-tip-adjustable-torque-wrench-prod84011.aspx
Joe
Nice, Joe --
Best,
Fred
Sal you didn't take that apart to get me a plate did you??!!
Another problem with power drivers is you loose so much sensitivity. A plain old screw driver is telegraphing information to your fingers about the condition of the threads as you turn it.
-steve
Quote from: thorhammer on January 19, 2017, 08:06:20 PM
Sal you didn't take that apart to get me a plate did you??!!
If I wasn't able to, I would have told you I couldn't do it. I'll be ok, I have a couple of dozen laying around somewhere ;) ;D.
Funny Fred :), I've had that same craftsman screwdriver for over 30 years. I remember it because it was a gift from my wife along with some other craftsman tools on our first annyversary.
I'm guessing she wanted to make sure I didn't have any excuses not to go to work ::).
If I remember correctly, mine came as a set of two, one was the push drill with bits in the handle. I can't find that one.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 19, 2017, 08:23:03 PM
Quote from: thorhammer on January 19, 2017, 08:06:20 PM
Sal you didn't take that apart to get me a plate did you??!!
If I wasn't able to, I would have told you I couldn't do it. I'll be ok, I have a couple of dozen laying around somewhere ;) ;D.
Funny Fred :), I've had that same craftsman screwdriver for over 30 years. I remember it because it was a gift from my wife along with some other craftsman tools on our first annyversary.
I'm guessing she wanted to make sure I didn't have any excuses not to go to work ::).
If I remember correctly, mine came as a set of two, one was the push drill with bits in the handle. I can't find that one.
Sal
Man you're bringing back memories now, Sal, and bad ones, too! I remember using a Yankee screw driver https://www.google.com/search?q=yankee+screwdriver&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS583US583&espv=2&biw=1229&bih=587&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjVr7Pgjc_RAhVs1oMKHVNFAuoQ_AUICCgD for hanging doors, etc., back in the day. Talk about pinched fingers, blood blisters and swearing! ;) The first "God Send" was Phillips screw heads, but there was still a few choice words thrown around now and then. Smiles finally came with the advent of the variable speed drill. I still have my original 2 Craftsmans from around 1970ish. Still, though, they would slip off the screw head every now and then. >:(
Those plates are easily broken manually, too. Juuust snug was a bit too much on one of mine. I fixed it with the water weld JB.
Porthos had the best idea, with adding a tube to the screw shaft between the plate and body.
Funny how these subjects go round in cycles.
Quote from: Rancanfish on January 19, 2017, 09:17:50 PM
Those plates are easily broken manually, too. Juuust snug was a bit too much on one of mine. I fixed it with the water weld JB.
Porthos had the best idea, with adding a tube to the screw shaft between the plate and body.
Funny how these subjects go round in cycles.
Ran, you are absolutely correct on Porthos plate, I have a different take on mine. I strongly believe the damage accurred while the screw was being sert it with a power drive and not while fishing.
Porthos did an excellent job fixing his and i'm glad. I personally believe JB Weld is crap...just my opinion.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 19, 2017, 10:20:44 PM
I personally believe JB Weld is ****...just my opinion.
Sal
JB Weld is great stuff, Sal...
As long as the parts repaired never need to be touched, stored, used, handled, exposed to light or dark, or ever looked at...
Some guys swear by it, though -- guess I don't know enough about it to use it properly.
It is probably the last shot at saving a part before tossing it -- I would have trouble trusting the integrity under real fishing conditions.
Just my opinion...
Best,
Fred
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 19, 2017, 10:20:44 PM
I personally believe JB Weld is ****...just my opinion.
Sal
Me too, Devcon makes a better product.
Sorry guys, I used too strong of a word, I was trying to change it, but you guys already replied.
I do realize some do swear by that product, so I sould not be calling it crap.
As for me, I never had luck with it.
Sal
I do not like it but have used several of the Devcon products.
I "fixed" the quote on my post.
Speaking of tools. My son just came over to "Borrow" ::) my Hithi cordless drill and charger for work. Isn't there a cut of age when children stop borrowing tools, mine is 43 and still is at it. :-\
Joe
Count yourself lucky Joe. My son lends my tools to his friends and I never see them again. Or in the case of my floor jack...broken.
Sal I have been using may hands since I started plumbing in 1972. I used to beat the hell out of my left hand caulking and setting lead in cast iron pipe.
Then i was put into a wheelchair in 1988. That's "hands on" all the time!
My right wrist hurts at night and the fingers in my left hand hurt daily. I use a prescription creme Volteran that contains ground up Motrin. It works very good.
Right now I have to ball up a towel in my left hand when I transfer in and out of bed or in and out of my truck. The towel keeps my fingers from completely closing in my fist.
I use the Milwaukee M4 not M5 with hollow ground bits and Wiha philips and others. My old power driver has a worn down clutch and wont tighten much at all. I then follow up by hand.
Most all the time I have the right hollow ground bit in the driver and break the screw loose by turning the driver itself before hitting the trigger. Same with all bits.
I use the Wiha bits. They fit perfectly no matter what type bit I'm using.
JB Weld is mainly just a filler. If the material has enough tooth it may wedge itself in place. But, you're not going to get much of a molecular bond between JB Weld and the side plate material. Some plastics are best bonded together with a hot iron. It needs to be hot enough to melt, but not burn. A soldering iron will often work. For gaps you can take a sliver of the plastic you are working with and melt it into place.
-steve
jb weld is ok but 3m panel bond is 10x stronger sticks better and you can sand it and shape it thay also have 3my plastic weld but very expensive