I have a Penn International II 50 sw (sn 940502) In what i thought was great shape. Took the line off to inspect, wax spool and respool line. In the process i noticed that the frame cross member behind the one engraved with penn logo, was bent. After some head scratching laid exacto knife handle (straight edge) across the frame and measured with calipers to bottom of frame member . there is a variation of at least .026 inch and possible more. This is the amount that that member is bent inward towards spool. How did it happen? NO idea but suspect it comes from traveling via ups for several cross continent trips. There are no marks on the aluminum at all from any impact that would be able to bend frame like this. Think it would require a super hit by a hammer to bend it like this.
My question to the veterans here am i gonna have problems with this reel ? Eating bearings? misalignment of shafts etc ?
If the spool still runs true and there is no problems when reeling the reel should be fine.
Hopefully, like you say, that area only was bent.
The only potential problem I'm thinking about is if you fill the spool up all the way, the line might get jammed on the bar. Especially if you use windon swivels. You might just have to fish a little less line and be careful when laying the line back on the reel.
My guess is that it was dropped when going through the mail.
I say dropped as well. Sounds like that kind of damage.
Just like everyone said. and I too agree on it being dropped while in box. If it were hit or bent during a fishing trip, it would have the scratches that you say it does not have. Any luck in trying to contact whoever delivered the package?
no proof as which trip bent it. ALL shipments were by UPS but trying to prove they did it. Naw cant even attempt that, and ive been thru their damage claim rigamarole before and its not fun and usually doesnt end well for the fisherman. At tis point its gonna be suck n it up snowflake and like with it i guess and hope there is no corollary damage. And look for a new frame when funds get more abundant. between a 2500 yard spool of c-16 130 bl spectra and building a new calstar rod The check book winces every time it hears the term I think ill buy ------.
But if anyone does have a decent used frame for 50 sw id certainly consider buying it it.
Hi Bill --
If it were mine, and it was bent like that, before I purchased another frame, here is what I would do --
Remove the plates and spool until the frame is bare --
Use a 3/4" piece of plywood as a platform base --
Tape over the plywood with duct tape --
Use a wooden type hand clamp to secure the sides just snug -- not super pressure tight -- to align the bent cross bar flat down on the plywood --
Cut a 1" X 1" X 12" piece of Oak or Maple (hardwood) --
Insert the wood from the opposite side so you have a good clean contact on the back side of the bent bar --
Tap it with a mallet or hammer until it is straight --
I think you could get it to "0" plumb on the straight edge easily enough --
Just start out with some deliberate taps -- increase the blows until it starts moving slightly back to plumb --
Keep checking until straight & true --
I have done this a few times previously when needed -- and if done properly using a straightedge and a light check -- it has always been successful with no scratching, damage, or problems with the frame running true.
Easy fix that saves the cost of another frame, and since there are no scratches evident -- it should end up near or close to perfect.
Best,
Fred
I'm with Fred. If the cross member is bent then the bearings have to be out of line but straightening can work. A visibly bent cross member is better than having the whole frame imperceptibly torqued.
-steve
im with fred on this one too. Will strip it down this afternoon and cut up some oak flooring and give it a go. After action report tomorrow
Thanks again Fred for the thoughts and time it took you to respond. As always a well thought out answer.
Quote from: bill19803 on March 07, 2017, 03:35:42 AM
no proof as which trip bent it. ALL shipments were by UPS but trying to prove they did it. Naw cant even attempt that, and ive been thru their damage claim rigamarole before and its not fun and usually doesnt end well for the fisherman. At tis point its gonna be suck n it up snowflake and like with it i guess and hope there is no corollary damage. And look for a new frame when funds get more abundant. between a 2500 yard spool of c-16 130 bl spectra and building a new calstar rod The check book winces every time it hears the term I think ill buy ------.
But if anyone does have a decent used frame for 50 sw id certainly consider buying it it.
Bill, if Fred's procedure doesn't work, of if you would just rather not have to worry about it, I am pretty sure that I have a near mint 50SW frame that I could sell for $35 plus shipping, but I just got back from a tackle show and haven't unloaded the trailer yet so it's probably going to take me a few days to get fully unpacked. If that might be of interest, please let me know and I will look for the frame.
Thanks,
Randy
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on March 07, 2017, 05:50:09 PM
Quote from: bill19803 on March 07, 2017, 03:35:42 AM
no proof as which trip bent it. ALL shipments were by UPS but trying to prove they did it. Naw cant even attempt that, and ive been thru their damage claim rigamarole before and its not fun and usually doesnt end well for the fisherman. At tis point its gonna be suck n it up snowflake and like with it i guess and hope there is no corollary damage. And look for a new frame when funds get more abundant. between a 2500 yard spool of c-16 130 bl spectra and building a new calstar rod The check book winces every time it hears the term I think ill buy ------.
But if anyone does have a decent used frame for 50 sw id certainly consider buying it it.
Bill, if Fred's procedure doesn't work, of if you would just rather not have to worry about it, I am pretty sure that I have a near mint 50SW frame that I could sell for $35 plus shipping, but I just got back from a tackle show and haven't unloaded the trailer yet so it's probably going to take me a few days to get fully unpacked. If that might be of interest, please let me know and I will look for the frame.
Thanks,
Randy
Wow! at that price you could buy it as a spare. Dominick
Quote from: Dominick on March 07, 2017, 06:03:53 PM
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on March 07, 2017, 05:50:09 PM
Quote from: bill19803 on March 07, 2017, 03:35:42 AM
no proof as which trip bent it. ALL shipments were by UPS but trying to prove they did it. Naw cant even attempt that, and ive been thru their damage claim rigamarole before and its not fun and usually doesnt end well for the fisherman. At tis point its gonna be suck n it up snowflake and like with it i guess and hope there is no corollary damage. And look for a new frame when funds get more abundant. between a 2500 yard spool of c-16 130 bl spectra and building a new calstar rod The check book winces every time it hears the term I think ill buy ------.
But if anyone does have a decent used frame for 50 sw id certainly consider buying it it.
Bill, if Fred's procedure doesn't work, of if you would just rather not have to worry about it, I am pretty sure that I have a near mint 50SW frame that I could sell for $35 plus shipping, but I just got back from a tackle show and haven't unloaded the trailer yet so it's probably going to take me a few days to get fully unpacked. If that might be of interest, please let me know and I will look for the frame.
Thanks,
Randy
Wow! at that price you could buy it as a spare. Dominick
That is a great deal. I may want to pick this up, and any other International parts you may have, if he doesn't want it.
John
Randy sold
no big hurry but ill take it when you find it
wont need it till hot months so do what ya gotta do and we will get logistics worked out later
Thanks for helping me out Just spent a couple hours smacking a board ala fred procedure and think i only removed about 1/4 of the bend so i dont have a good feeling about end result.
Bill
Quote from: Tightlines666 on March 07, 2017, 07:15:13 PM
Quote from: Dominick on March 07, 2017, 06:03:53 PM
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on March 07, 2017, 05:50:09 PM
Quote from: bill19803 on March 07, 2017, 03:35:42 AM
no proof as which trip bent it. ALL shipments were by UPS but trying to prove they did it. Naw cant even attempt that, and ive been thru their damage claim rigamarole before and its not fun and usually doesnt end well for the fisherman. At tis point its gonna be suck n it up snowflake and like with it i guess and hope there is no corollary damage. And look for a new frame when funds get more abundant. between a 2500 yard spool of c-16 130 bl spectra and building a new calstar rod The check book winces every time it hears the term I think ill buy ------.
But if anyone does have a decent used frame for 50 sw id certainly consider buying it it.
Bill, if Fred's procedure doesn't work, of if you would just rather not have to worry about it, I am pretty sure that I have a near mint 50SW frame that I could sell for $35 plus shipping, but I just got back from a tackle show and haven't unloaded the trailer yet so it's probably going to take me a few days to get fully unpacked. If that might be of interest, please let me know and I will look for the frame.
Thanks,
Randy
Wow! at that price you could buy it as a spare. Dominick
That is a great deal. I may want to pick this up, and any other International parts you may have, if he doesn't want it.
John
Give me a week or so to get caught up John and I will send you a list of the International parts that I have. Almost everything is for 50 size or smaller but there is a lot of nice stuff. I don't know if you saw my list but I picked up a beautiful 130ST that you or one of your friends might like.
Thanks,
Randy
Quote from: bill19803 on March 07, 2017, 07:25:37 PM
Randy sold
no big hurry but ill take it when you find it
wont need it till hot months so do what ya gotta do and we will get logistics worked out later
Thanks for helping me out Just spent a couple hours smacking a board ala fred procedure and think i only removed about 1/4 of the bend so i dont have a good feeling about end result.
Bill
LM
That's great Bill. I should be able to find that frame by this weekend and verify that it is a 50SW and if it is do you want me to send you a PayPal invoice?
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on March 07, 2017, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on March 07, 2017, 07:15:13 PM
Quote from: Dominick on March 07, 2017, 06:03:53 PM
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on March 07, 2017, 05:50:09 PM
Quote from: bill19803 on March 07, 2017, 03:35:42 AM
no proof as which trip bent it. ALL shipments were by UPS but trying to prove they did it. Naw cant even attempt that, and ive been thru their damage claim rigamarole before and its not fun and usually doesnt end well for the fisherman. At tis point its gonna be suck n it up snowflake and like with it i guess and hope there is no corollary damage. And look for a new frame when funds get more abundant. between a 2500 yard spool of c-16 130 bl spectra and building a new calstar rod The check book winces every time it hears the term I think ill buy ------.
But if anyone does have a decent used frame for 50 sw id certainly consider buying it it.
Bill, if Fred's procedure doesn't work, of if you would just rather not have to worry about it, I am pretty sure that I have a near mint 50SW frame that I could sell for $35 plus shipping, but I just got back from a tackle show and haven't unloaded the trailer yet so it's probably going to take me a few days to get fully unpacked. If that might be of interest, please let me know and I will look for the frame.
Thanks,
Randy
Wow! at that price you could buy it as a spare. Dominick
That is a great deal. I may want to pick this up, and any other International parts you may have, if he doesn't want it.
John
Give me a week or so to get caught up John and I will send you a list of the International parts that I have. Almost everything is for 50 size or smaller but there is a lot of nice stuff. I don't know if you saw my list but I picked up a beautiful 130ST that you or one of your friends might like.
Thanks,
Randy
Great!
No rush.
I really do mostly 80s & 130s. I may not be able to afford your 130. I occasionally pick up larger gold reels locally on the cheap, and refurb/resell. Lately my boat has pretty much destroyed my reel and parts budget, but I am always interested in International parts, since I know they will get used.
John