Hi Alan , just pulled down a 12/0 and found the last metal washer befor the star goes on has a round hole in the middle, all the other washers have a square hole ....is this the norm with the standard old type drag washers?
im upgrading to ht-100s and found this, not sure if i should use it, it also seems scratched up a little and possibly warped. Any help appreciated .
Cheers Harry
Harry, there is usually a keyed washer before a normal flat washer or just a keyed washer. If you are buying new drag washers, you should consider buying a keyed washer and replace or to go under that flat washer.
Quote from: Harry on April 29, 2011, 12:17:04 PM
Hi Alan , just pulled down a 12/0 and found the last metal washer befor the star goes on has a round hole in the middle, all the other washers have a square hole ....is this the norm with the standard old type drag washers?
im upgrading to ht-100s and found this, not sure if i should use it, it also seems scratched up a little and possibly warped. Any help appreciated .
Cheers Harry
Harry, to get the best stock configuration on that 12/0 this is what I recommend: carbon - keyed - carbon -eared - carbon - keyed - carbon - eared - carbon - keyed - carbon - eared - carbon - keyed - belleville - spacer- star wheel. On smaller reels you get away not using the belleville, you do need it on these heavy duty reels. Make sure you lightly coat the carbon washers with some Cal's grease ;)
The washer that appears to be warped to you is the belleville, it's a cupped washer.
yes, that is what you have!
Thanks guys drag seems so much smoother and dont have to keep pushin down the star so much anymore at all to get traction ;D
Heres another question i have....with this 12/0 there is a little bit of movement/ play in the spool , left and right .....12/0s dont have a adjustable tension knob..can this play be redused at all?
my other 12/0 has no play at all and is smooth , its in better cond than the one i bought recently, that im messin round with . any help be great !
cheers Harry
You could add a few thrust washers between the spool and he side plate bearing.
Harry, check if the spool shaft has a washer on the left side...it's very easy to loose it when servicing the reel. In case you do not see one, Scott's at Penn parts still has them the part # is 154-117. Good luck, Sal
Quote from: Harry on May 12, 2011, 04:26:54 AM
Thanks guys drag seems so much smoother and dont have to keep pushin down the star so much anymore at all to get traction ;D
Heres another question i have....with this 12/0 there is a little bit of movement/ play in the spool , left and right .....12/0s dont have a adjustable tension knob..can this play be redused at all?
my other 12/0 has no play at all and is smooth , its in better cond than the one i bought recently, that im messin round with . any help be great !
cheers Harry
Thanks guys , thats great news 4 me. Dont think iv seen a spacer on the spool shaft befor on either 12/0s. sounds like an easy fix. :)
Quote from: Harry on May 12, 2011, 03:46:57 PM
Thanks guys , thats great news 4 me. Dont think iv seen a spacer on the spool shaft befor on either 12/0s. sounds like an easy fix. :)
Harry if you need to see what it looks like check the 16/0 under Penn tutorials, I think it's the 19th picture from the top.
i see it sal ...thanks mate ... 20th pic i counted lol....im gonna crack mine open and look more carefully this time ....it would be ok to use as many as needed to minimise the play u think?
cheers Harry
Harry,the original spacer was made out of copper, rectangular in shape and it's not available anymore. The spacer on the picture that I showed you is a replacement and will work just fine. It's ok if you need to add an additional spacer but I'm betting that you won't find one on your spool shaft when you crack the reel open. Take care, Sal
Hi Sal , you were right there was no spacer on the spool shaft when i had a look.
I was lucky and found the tiny copper round washer with the part # you gave me at the local penn store here that ive found.Thanks! They too are good blokes and gave me it and a few other spacers to try all for free.
Unfortunatly they only had 1 left, but that 1 fixed the movement in the spool. Tiny little round copper washer , so thin too i thought id need a few but it was not the case, 1 was sweet.
Is there a solution for the play on the handle side on all senators that they seem to all have that you might have found?
Once again this is a super site , big thanks!
Cheers Harry
I'm glad it worked out for you Harry. About the movement on the handle side, if you're talking about the handle itself having back and forth movement, check that 16/0 again on Penn tutorial and go down to picture #27. Take care, Sal
I see it Sal....is that a fibre washer or a metal one ?Looks like a fibre one to me , also i have never pushed those pins out to get to that stage yet ...but gonna give it a go. All my senators have that play , some more than others...let u know how i go with my first attempt. Thanks buddy.
cheers Harry
It is a metal washer, if I remember correctly that washer was the eared metal washer from the drag stack, all I did was to file down the ears on it and enlarged the inner diameter with a tapered rounded file, very easy to do but, you should be able to find one that will fit nicely. About removing the pin give it a go, it's not a big deal. I use a punch and a hammer, place the sleeve flat on two pieces of wood stripps or whatever you have, place the punch on the pin and tap it with the hammer...I've used nails in the past, you'll then pull it out with pliers from the other side. To put the pin back, place the pin back in the hole and tap it gently with the hammer untill flush, I have a small hammer for it. When you remove the sleeve give it a good cleaning, put some grease in it and you're set to go. Harry, looks like you're touching every part on that reel, great job! It gets easier as you keep working on them, you'll be a pro in no time. cheers, Sal
wow Sal thats a pretty thick washer you used! I have taken it appart now but was thinking i could put a tiny thin copper washer/shim in the hole, but one this size might be hard to find . bit like the one that stoped the spool play.
or i could use a larger one like you did in stainless steel....any diference u think?
Harry, its trial and error. I don't know how much play you have, it doesn't make any difference if the washer is copper or stainless steel. The sleeve that I used on that 16/0 was a stainless steel sleeve and it had a lot of play, that washer worked out perdfectly, in your case it might be too thick. I'm sure you already noticed that the lower part of the sleeve is a bit wider that the top part of the sleeve, you will need a washer with the hole size a little larger than the drag washer. We already know how to fix the problem, the only thing left is to install the right thickness, try with a thin washer first and see what it does, a little play would be ok.
Harry, I wanted to mention that all of the metal washer that I used on the 16/0where the thin metal washer that came with the 1+7 kit.
I converted the drags from 1+5 wich had the thick washers to 1+7 thinner washers. The washer that I used as a spacer was also thin.
All done Sal , thanks 4 your help , the 6/0 special has a tight handle now with very little play , cant wait to cast it out again! have a few more reels that need this done to them, going to wait till i fish the 6/0 a few times first b4 i try it on the others.
cheers Harry
Way to go! Harry. There is no stopping you now ;D ;D
Harry's hooked. Another one bites the dust... ;D
LOL yes Bryan...i enjoy cleaning ,oiling ,greasing, modifying 4 the better all my overhead penns. But eggbeaters !! forget it !!! dont wanna know.
If it wasnt for Alan and this site , i wouldnt have ever attempted tearing down a whole reel.
cheers Harry ;D