Chris (Rothmar2) has been quietly making more master pieces - I received a set of 316 stainless 349 rings in the mail last week. As we have come to expect, they are spot on, great machining with a brilliant polished finish. Thanks a million Chris.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_20_12_17_1_00_57.jpeg)
Chris IDs the material on the inside of the rings;
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_20_12_17_1_28_09.jpeg)
The subtle differences in Penn side plate sizes was highlighted when I test fitted these on a few sets of plates. They are an easy fit on a red set I have;
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_20_12_17_1_05_14.jpeg)
They are also a good fit on the black plates Chris used as a template but are a little too tight on a couple of black sets I tried - not by much but they wouldn't fit in the recess around the outside edge of the tail plate;
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_20_12_17_1_06_49.jpeg)
I wanted to use the black set with a single eccentric lever, so I filed a little material around the edge of the recess with a triangular file;
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_20_12_17_1_08_04.jpeg)
I've been picking up the parts for tanked 349 for a few years and it is turning into an 'Ohana' reel with parts made by a lot of our members here.
- Stainless rings by Chris (Rothmar2)
- Off set SS handle, SS star and versa drag insert by Adam (Threesevens)
- 3/0 Grip and SS gear sleeve by Alan Tani (Alan Tani) ;D
- Stainless dogs by Lee (Keta)
- Stainless spacer bars by Alan C (Pro Challenger)
- Custom SS stand and triple dog bridge by me
- Aluminium half frame by Tom (Cortez Conversions) has been ordered and will replace my stand.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_20_12_17_1_10_16.jpeg)
I've ordered some SS 5/8" countersunk screws and will post a photo of the completed reel after they arrive.
Mike
The next "Monster Mariner" is almost alive. That is gonna be one brutal reel when done!
Look good Mike, keep us posted, cant wait, cheers Don.
Nice!
and a partridge in a pear tree....wow...can't wait to see the result!
Oooo! Now that is purty :)
You fellas are so talented...gonna be a killer reel! 8)
Chris - if youre going to make a bunch of 349 rings I could us a pair of outer rings :)
penn should have been doing this 80 years ago. imagine how many of these reels would still be in service if they had used stainless steel parts! :-\
Chris made a set for the Tank. :) Thanks again Chris. Dominick
Quote from: alantani on December 20, 2017, 06:45:32 PM
penn should have been doing this 80 years ago. imagine how many of these reels would still be in service if they had used stainless steel parts! :-\
Yep, good materials and simplicity are key.
Here is an old Chas C. Hutchinson Ship's Bell clock from about 1900.
Made in Boston, it was a gift to Sue's Grandfather the year he was Commodore of the Boston Back Bay Yacht Club.
Wind it up every 8 days -- it keeps the exact same accurate time as our new electronic digital clocks. And not affected by power outages.
Been serviced twice in 117 years, coil spring replaced once 8 years ago.
Neat to hear the chiming as it sounds off the various maritime watch times every 30 minutes.
We live in a disposable society today -- where profit and corporate scheming rule the day.
Gone are the companies who took immense pride in their craft.
That pride is still alive and well on AlanTani.com!
Best,
Fred
....Magnifico !!
Winner..winner.
Beautiful piece, Fred!
Sal
Thanks for the kind words, I'm feeling lucky to have all these great parts available to assemble this reel - I don't remember exactly, but it was probably 4 years ago I bought the spool off of the auction site and over 2 years since I did the 3 dog bridge - I should of thought to order the side plate screws earlier ;D
Quote from: alantani on December 20, 2017, 06:45:32 PM
penn should have been doing this 80 years ago. imagine how many of these reels would still be in service if they had used stainless steel parts! :-\
Yeah, it can cost prohibitive to repair or restore some of the older Penns that have corroded parts. Carl Newell had the right idea using a lot of stainless in his reels, maybe that's one of the reasons they are still so popular and bringing higher prices.
Fred, That clock is an impressive piece of maritime history - is the case made from a nickel alloy like german silver? The fact that it's still in such great condition after being in Sue's family for two generations and counting, is testament her grandfather must have valued and cared for it and passed on that respect for fine craftsmanship.
Mike
Mike I have some button head 5/8" screws for the 349. If they are any use to you. I can post a set n/c.
They look like this when mounted (or just holding hands ;D)
Thanks for the offer Chris, that's very decent of you (considering how the 17 - 18 Ashes Series are going ;D), but the countersunk screws I ordered have arrived.
I didn't think of using button head screws although after looking at your photo I probably should have. I modified the countersunk heads to fit and ended up with a similar effect the button head would have given with less effort.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_21_12_17_4_10_37.jpeg)
Using a bench grinder and belt sander, I ground the heads to fit in a 5 mm hole then tapered the top side;
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_21_12_17_4_11_40.jpeg)
Repeat 17 times;
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_21_12_17_4_14_50.jpeg)
And compared to the stock screw;
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_21_12_17_4_13_20.jpeg)
Mike
Chris, I'm not in a position to make any more of these rings in the foreseeable future. I was only able to get a set made for Mike on the last swing I did on offshore vessels. Sadly, for me at least, this work has now dried up. I no longer have access to a robust lathe, and these rings, while not completely beyond the capability of my mini lathe, would take many hours of machining to make just one ring on it.
Fred, that clock is amazing. Much like the Livermore Centenial Lightbulb, these pieces highlight the huge problem corporate greed has caused to this earth. Pride and craftsmanship in product, has long been replaced by the lust for profit, and volume of sales. We have the technology, and materials to produce products that should last many many lifetimes. But in our "modern throwaway society", producing ever-lasting products just isn't good for "business".
It's a very sad fact of life these days.
Quote from: Rothmar2 on December 22, 2017, 09:49:30 AM
Fred, that clock is amazing. Much like the Livermore Centenial Lightbulb, these pieces highlight the huge problem corporate greed has caused to this earth. Pride and craftsmanship in product, has long been replaced by the lust for profit, and volume of sales. We have the technology, and materials to produce products that should last many many lifetimes. But in our "modern throwaway society", producing ever-lasting products just isn't good for "business".
It's a very sad fact of life these days.
You are unfortunately right, Rothmar --
When I was a much younger man, an old time machinist told me something that has always stuck with me through the decades since --
He said, "When a man puts his name on his work, you can generally be assured it will last. If it is a company name, or corporation -- 9 times out of 10 you will find out sooner rather than later -- why his personal name is not obvious on the finished product".
I get guys asking me to just do part of a reel -- or it doesn't have to be cosmetically perfect -- just so I can fish. I do it for them my way -- and they are pleased, surprised, and I have no comebacks.
Best,
Fred
Fred - one of my jobs (seems like a previous life!) was making life test jigs for various types of telecomms equipment (relays, switches, selectors, reed switches, buttons etc.) the biggest problem was making the 'Life Test machine' outlive the product, no joke. A 2 to 3 year period of my life taught me so much about engineering longevity into a product.
Unfortunately todays 'engineering sciences' seem to preach how long before the new model arrives, and that will do!!!!. 'and that will do!!!!' Whatever happened to engineering excellence? Service and parts support - forget it.
Thanks to this forum some aspecs of engineering, at its best, will survive - Thank you Ohana :-*
Ok rant over. Back to your cable or satellite tv - not you Daron ;)
Before I put the reel together, I cut a couple of 2.5 mm thick spacers to fill the gap in the plates where the harness lugs go;
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_22_12_17_5_10_33.jpeg)
And assembled the reel;
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_22_12_17_5_11_58.jpeg)
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_22_12_17_5_12_52.jpeg)
And photobombed by a Cortez Conversions 349 frame ;D
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_22_12_17_5_13_48.jpeg)
Mike
Looks sweet and smooth Mike. Nice work!
..................Lou
Thanks Lou, it isn't in the same class as the spectacular green and gold 4/0 you showed us recently.
It takes on a different look wearing Tom's frame with a Newell top bar;
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_22_12_17_11_01_50.jpeg)
(http://alantani.com/gallery/22/7995_22_12_17_11_03_42.jpeg)
Thanks again for making these frames Tom and thanks again Chris for the SS rings.
Mike
Very nice clean lines :)
Hi Chris were did you get you button head screws from, I would like to buy some, I still have the 349, that Mike sent me parts for, & I also brought another 349 yesterday, for AU $ 55 delivered home, that I think is a low price considering they are becoming hard to get, at Mike now that I have 2, 349 reels I will make one schmick reel out of the 2, with the parts you gave me, have court 6 WA dhu fish with that reel I restord out of the garbage rubbish bin, the heaviest dhuey was about 6 to 7 Kg, 77cms long, thanks for showing your reel mike it looks great, cheers Don.
Don - I had an English company make a batch for me - they weren't available anywhere else :(
PM me your address I'll send a set nc. These are 5/8" long so some may need a trim if your using the standard stand.
I think the biggest advantage of button heads is that they don't try to flare the countersunk depression in the ring - they just sit flat on top = less split rings ;)
Hi Chris, I have sent you an, email, I expect to pay Chris, Postage from the UK to Western Australia, will sting you, or oneway or the other, I will even up, cheers Don.
pm sent Don
Wow Mike, that is by far the nicest 349 I've laid eyes on :o :o
....and rock solid to boot !!
Thanks for sharing your gem with the ohana
Ted
Gentlemen, new guy here. What exactly do you use the mariner 349 for, what type fishing? I have one I bought 35 years ago for wireline trolling of stripers here in Long Island sound. I haven't used it since I have gone to lighter trolling methods. Wirelining not being a popular anymore here in the Northeast.
Quote from: Recoil Rob on March 21, 2018, 04:45:22 PM
....What exactly do you use the mariner 349 for, what type fishing?....
I use them for deep water (600"-700") pacific halibut. Mine are filled with JB 60# solid Spectra and a 10' mono topshot.
I just cuddle mine - polish them - put them on a shelf - Oh and fondle them, crank them, rebuild them. Repeat ad infinitum ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Recoil Rob on March 21, 2018, 04:45:22 PM
What exactly do you use the mariner 349 for, what type fishing?
Deep bottom fishing is the plan, but I haven't been out wide enough to use them yet. Maybe set up a wireline reel as well - I've got 300 yds of 60lb monel wire but haven't rigged it yet.
In the meantime, a bit like Tiddlerbasher but I don't fondle them I just give them a pat on the back. ;D
Mike
Quote from: mhc on April 02, 2018, 03:17:24 AM
Quote from: Recoil Rob on March 21, 2018, 04:45:22 PM
What exactly do you use the mariner 349 for, what type fishing?
Deep bottom fishing is the plan, but I haven't been out wide enough to use them yet. Maybe set up a wireline reel as well - I've got 300 yds of 60lb monel wire but haven't rigged it yet.
In the meantime, a bit like Tiddlerbasher but I don't fondle them I just give them a pat on the back. ;D
Mike
Hi Mike,
Did you ever check your max drag numbers on this reel? I'm starting a build soon on one of these and I'm curious to what #'s I'll be getting?
I have the same drag, but won't be able to max it out because I'll only have one dog.
Beautiful reel!
Darin
Hi Darin,
I haven't tested this reel for maximum drag but with Adam's (three7evens)insert I estimate it would be around 30 lbs.
George4741 tested 5 stack carbon washers in a 349 (2.1:1 gearing) and a 349H (3.25:1 gearing) a few years ago http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=4983.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=4983.0) and got 29 lbs on the 349 (2:1) & 18 lbs on the 349H (3.25:1). The difference between the two gear ratios ties in with a formular Jurelometer uses in this thread for calculating torque http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14241.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14241.0)
George used a conventional 5 stack where the carbon washers are free to rotate and only work on one side, ie total 5 friction surfaces - with the drag inserts, the 5 carbon are keyed into the insert and all the metal washers rotate so that both sides of the carbon is working, ie 10 friction surfaces for 5 washers.
So, for the 349H, 18 * 10/5 = 36 lbs and for the 349, 29 * 10/5 = 58 lbs......... give or take a lot ;D
Mike
Edit - Threesevens only makes drag inserts for the 349H gear
Quote from: mhc on September 29, 2018, 02:45:58 AM
Hi Darin,
I haven't tested this reel for maximum drag but with Adam's (three7evens)insert I estimate it would be around 30 lbs.
George4741 tested 5 stack carbon washers in a 349 (2.1:1 gearing) and a 349H (3.25:1 gearing) a few years ago http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=4983.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=4983.0) and got 29 lbs on the 349 (2:1) & 18 lbs on the 349H (3.25:1). The difference between the two gear ratios ties in with a formular Jurelometer uses in this thread for calculating torque http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14241.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14241.0)
George used a conventional 5 stack where the carbon washers are free to rotate and only work on one side, ie total 5 friction surfaces - with the drag inserts, the 5 carbon are keyed into the insert and all the metal washers rotate so that both sides of the carbon is working, ie 10 friction surfaces for 5 washers.
So, for the 349H, 18 * 10/5 = 36 lbs and for the 349, 29 * 10/5 = 58 lbs......... give or take a lot ;D
Mike
Thanks for the reply and info, Mike! I have both sets of gears and will probably go with the lower gear to dig some groupers up from the abyss. Darin