I found this reel totally by accident and was both "intrigued" and "repulsed", at the same time . . . Draw you own conclusions !
Tight Lines !
https://jiggingmaster-ag.com/home/index.php/en/jm-product-en/jmreel-en/46-underhead-en (https://jiggingmaster-ag.com/home/index.php/en/jm-product-en/jmreel-en/46-underhead-en)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/96AAAOSwEzxYUyIo/s-l1600.jpg)
(https://jiggingmaster-ag.com/home/images/tw-product/reel/PP_M.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK4IFOUDpLA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK4IFOUDpLA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG2_xKBDFF0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG2_xKBDFF0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOVNbNuc5LA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOVNbNuc5LA)
This reminds me greatly of the Simpsons episode where Homer designs a car.
I have one in the Pe7 size. It's a beast of a jigging reel. Matched with a 5'2" jigging rod it's second nature when you jig with it. The crank of the handle and action of the is like a perfect gear set.
Mine is gunmetal in color and left hand retrieve. Just like using a spinning reel.
Don't forget there is the Accurate Mutant GT which is a similar concept... except the Accurate is just an overhead reel slung under the rod whereas the JM Underhead is specially built for the job.
Probably one of the better jigging reels money can buy, if you like overhead style drag but the balance of spin... and don't use the rail at all.
Keith lmk if you ever wanna sell that beast. I wouldn't mind trying to jig up a 50class YFT with it. Likely has one of the strongest levelwind designs available.
John
50lb tuna no problem.
On the tail plate is the normal click button. Also a Lock button. It completely locks the spool and takes all the stress off the gears. Its for breaking off bottom if you get stuck. You can still reel in line.
I'd give one a try in spite of my apprehension.
The Pe7 is $900. :o
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 21, 2017, 12:59:36 AM
The Pe7 is $900. :o
And then, the "roar of the crickets" set in . . . LOL !
Tight Lines !
I like the concept. This would make spiral rods unnecessary as you'd get the same benefit - no torque to twist the rod during a fight.
Quote from: ez2cdave on December 21, 2017, 01:25:45 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 21, 2017, 12:59:36 AM
The Pe7 is $900. :o
And then, the "roar of the crickets" set in . . . LOL !
Tight Lines !
I think I might just have to deal with
looking at Keith's.
Quote from: handi2 on December 20, 2017, 11:02:38 PM
50lb tuna no problem.
On the tail plate is the normal click button. Also a Lock button. It completely locks the spool and takes all the stress off the gears. Its for breaking off bottom if you get stuck. You can still reel in line.
Sounds like a great jigging reel idea: a spool that locks down. So if you snag up and lock it down, the spool will still reel in line, but won't turn backwards against the drag? I.e., it's a one-way lock?
I can see where you'ed need a level wind with a underhand conventional, as line management would be a hassel when you can't easily see it.
Gfish
Quote from: sdlehr on December 21, 2017, 01:57:10 PM
I like the concept. This would make spiral rods unnecessary as you'd get the same benefit - no torque to twist the rod during a fight.
You'd have all the downsides of a spinning reel since you're using a spinning rod. No laying the rod on the rail to crank. You can still use the rail with an Acid wrapped rod!
Quote from: MarkT on December 21, 2017, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on December 21, 2017, 01:57:10 PM
I like the concept. This would make spiral rods unnecessary as you'd get the same benefit - no torque to twist the rod during a fight.
You'd have all the downsides of a spinning reel since you're using a spinning rod. No laying the rod on the rail to crank. You can still use the rail with an Acid wrapped rod!
No line twist, or reel flex issues here though.
Quote from: Tightlines666 on December 21, 2017, 08:11:21 PM
Quote from: MarkT on December 21, 2017, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on December 21, 2017, 01:57:10 PM
I like the concept. This would make spiral rods unnecessary as you'd get the same benefit - no torque to twist the rod during a fight.
You'd have all the downsides of a spinning reel since you're using a spinning rod. No laying the rod on the rail to crank. You can still use the rail with an Acid wrapped rod!
No line twist, or reel flex issues here though.
Why no reel flex? It has the same style reel foot as a spinner. It's a funky $900 pseudo spinner in a baitcaster format. For that kind of money just get a Stella and call it good.
I didnt pay that much but it was expensive! If you ever use one, right or left, you will like it.
The jigging action is so much more normal and fluid with the shorter rods.
Quote from: MarkT on December 21, 2017, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on December 21, 2017, 08:11:21 PM
Quote from: MarkT on December 21, 2017, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on December 21, 2017, 01:57:10 PM
I like the concept. This would make spiral rods unnecessary as you'd get the same benefit - no torque to twist the rod during a fight.
You'd have all the downsides of a spinning reel since you're using a spinning rod. No laying the rod on the rail to crank. You can still use the rail with an Acid wrapped rod!
No line twist, or reel flex issues here though.
Why no reel flex? It has the same style reel foot as a spinner. It's a funky $900 pseudo spinner in a baitcaster format. For that kind of money just get a Stella and call it good.
No rotor to flex under huge drag pressure is a factor.
Depending who you ask, the jigging motion (for mechanical jigging, not yo-yo) is better with a under-the-rod setup.
Using the rail isn't really a thing with these rods/reels even when they're overhead. The gearing is too high to winch the fish in, you have to pump and wind. Presumably this is why nobody on a long-range is doing any mechanical jigging, despite the fact that it's ludicrously effective against Kingfish (yellowtail).
If you want a lever drag with under-the-rod style fishing these are your only option.
Pony Liu isn't exactly a newbie to jigging, if they went to the trouble of developing and tooling these reels there is probably something good to be found here.
Quote from: MarkT on December 21, 2017, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on December 21, 2017, 08:11:21 PM
Quote from: MarkT on December 21, 2017, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: sdlehr on December 21, 2017, 01:57:10 PM
I like the concept. This would make spiral rods unnecessary as you'd get the same benefit - no torque to twist the rod during a fight.
You'd have all the downsides of a spinning reel since you're using a spinning rod. No laying the rod on the rail to crank. You can still use the rail with an Acid wrapped rod!
No line twist, or reel flex issues here though.
Why no reel flex? It has the same style reel foot as a spinner. It's a funky $900 pseudo spinner in a baitcaster format. For that kind of money just get a Stella and call it good.
I meant no rotor to flex under pressure.
Wow, One crazy looking reel and I guess for a few applications it would be great. I usually wait for a few years with new stuff to see how it pans out. Who knows, could be the reel of the future. I suppose you could spiral the guides up on the rod and use it on the rail
This model is a few years old now.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 21, 2017, 12:59:36 AM
The Pe7 is $900. :o
Daron,
Would you ever consider getting one of those reels ?
It's way out of my budget . . .
Merry Christmas !
Tight Lines !
that was me. >:(
Quote from: ez2cdave on December 22, 2017, 02:52:52 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 21, 2017, 12:59:36 AM
The Pe7 is $900. :o
Daron,
Would you ever consider getting one of those reels ?
It's way out of my budget . . .
Merry Christmas !
Tight Lines !
If it was about 1/3 of that price.
I'm too busy hoarding Giant Everol's. ;D
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 22, 2017, 05:46:24 AM
Quote from: ez2cdave on December 22, 2017, 02:52:52 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 21, 2017, 12:59:36 AM
The Pe7 is $900. :o
Daron,
Would you ever consider getting one of those reels ?
It's way out of my budget . . .
Merry Christmas !
Tight Lines !
If it was about 1/3 of that price.
I'm too busy hoarding Giant Everol's. ;D
How about getting a custom "Underhead Giant Everol" ?
You might need a "Rod Bearer" for that Monster - LOL !
Mery Christmas & Tight Lines !
Sorry, I CAN'T take anyone serious with a name like that...PONY LIU! LOL