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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: steelhead_killer on March 02, 2018, 01:58:21 AM

Title: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: steelhead_killer on March 02, 2018, 01:58:21 AM
So this came in today... a direct drive custom Penn 209.  Anyone ever see this before?  The guy that sent it to me says his father who was an machinist at Boeing used to make these for a now closed fishing tackle shop in Seattle.  https://flic.kr/p/23rwh9Z
https://flic.kr/p/24NBqWk
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: Rivverrat on March 02, 2018, 03:32:05 AM
Interseting like to know the full story behind this... Jeff
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: Bryan Young on March 02, 2018, 05:10:10 AM
What's a direct drive as it refers to the reel?
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: Rivverrat on March 02, 2018, 05:50:41 AM
No drag. Unless there was some odd dog arrangment the handle would have spun backward. Ooops just looked again the anti reverse gear looks like it has been touched by dogs. ... Jeff
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: alantani on March 02, 2018, 06:39:21 AM
here you go!
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: oc1 on March 02, 2018, 06:45:47 AM
Probably a 209 modified to operate like a 109.  The 109 does not have an eccentric jack or yoke.  The eccentric lever just disengages the AR dog.  When the dog is disengaged the handle turns backward but you can stop the handle with your hand and line will pull out against the drag.  When the dog is engaged the handle does not turn backward and line will pull out against the drag.  When casting the handle spins backward on a 109 but not on a stock 9, 209 or 309 (which have eccentric jack and yoke).  
-steve
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: alantani on March 02, 2018, 06:48:15 AM
sounds like this was version 1.0 ........
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: Rivverrat on March 02, 2018, 08:19:10 AM
If there are drag washers  doesnt look like there is room for much... Jeff 
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: Alto Mare on March 02, 2018, 12:20:48 PM
There has to be some type of heavy coiled spring in there. Andy, could you take it apart? I've never seen anything as such.

Sal
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: steelhead_killer on March 02, 2018, 05:52:19 PM
Sal: It is soaking today and I will see if it comes apart.  At first try no go.  Almost looks like it was pressed into the gear...more to come this weekend..
Andy
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: Alto Mare on March 02, 2018, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: steelhead_killer on March 02, 2018, 05:52:19 PM
Sal: It is soaking today and I will see if it comes apart.  At first try no go.  Almost looks like it was pressed into the gear...more to come this weekend..
Andy
Andy, try not to break it, I won't feel good about that :). If it doesn't budge, I would let it go.
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: Rivverrat on March 02, 2018, 06:27:17 PM
I'm as curious about this a s Sal. This is more than a little interesting to me... Jeff
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: steelhead_killer on March 02, 2018, 07:52:23 PM
guy said he would make the original drawings available to anyone that was interested in making them again.  Maybe I will tell him to send me a set and I will share...Andy
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: Rivverrat on March 02, 2018, 08:03:41 PM
Cant say I'm all that interested in duplicating as much as I'm just curious to understand how it works... Jeff
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: mo65 on March 02, 2018, 08:29:20 PM
   Am I seeing this correct? It looks like the gear is turned around backwards on the gear post...it looks like the drag washer cutout is showing there at the top. ???
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: Rivverrat on March 02, 2018, 08:58:41 PM
Mike, I'm apparantly at the same place you are when veiwing this.

With out this peice being seperated or at least seeing the original drawings it begs more questions than it does answers. A curious thing to look at... Jeff
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: JRD on March 03, 2018, 01:27:30 AM
Quote from: mo65 on March 02, 2018, 08:29:20 PM
   Am I seeing this correct? It looks like the gear is turned around backwards on the gear post...it looks like the drag washer cutout is showing there at the top. ???
If so wouldn't the pinion need to be turned to mesh? Hmmm also looks like the ratchet is a separate piece from the sleeve
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: David Hall on March 03, 2018, 02:34:26 AM
I thought the same thing, someone put the gear in upside down?
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: sdlehr on March 03, 2018, 03:49:59 AM
Quote from: JRD on March 03, 2018, 01:27:30 AM
If so wouldn't the pinion need to be turned to mesh? Hmmm also looks like the ratchet is a separate piece from the sleeve
Nope, either way, right side up or up side down, the pinion will match the main gear
Title: Re: Penn 209 Direct Drive....
Post by: steelhead_killer on March 04, 2018, 03:28:27 PM
Ok so when the reel is in gear and you crank the handle with your thumb on the spool it has no drag.  Reel free spools as normal. If you take your hand off the handle and spin the spool it has drag and the handle spins with the gear in reverse.  The amount of drag is still star dependent.  The owner said that when you get the salmon close to the net you take your hand off the handle so that if and when the bad boy decides he is not ready and makes a final run you will not lose the fish to having a drag set to tight..

Thoughts?

Andy