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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: TongassFisher on April 04, 2018, 10:41:53 PM

Title: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: TongassFisher on April 04, 2018, 10:41:53 PM
Anyone have enthusiasm around the Penn Produced non drag knuckle buster reels? 77, 78, Atlantic models, 190 and I'm sure there are more?

I picked up this 78 because it had the mottled coloring and was $10 on eBay. After a cleaning and service, I'm really diggin these reels. Think I'd like to try and steelhead fish with one on these south east alaska creeks. If I can get used to controlling overrun I'd like to hit the cohos as well from shore.

Found this YouTube video a bit insprings. "I'm going to have to try this"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7zu3AsdjukM


(https://preview.ibb.co/hRAawc/64_D47218_C37_F_4_B60_ACEB_00119_D707_C8_A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cAo62H)
(https://preview.ibb.co/fLKeNH/E0_A1691_F_9_C56_480_C_8_DBC_267277164_AB5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mcf8Gc)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jhnc9x/ED8_EFAC4_5_A10_4_BB8_9_C35_AED95_F31_E0_D3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kVo62H)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mb362H/348_B7_AC8_780_B_4_B24_AA8_E_EA5_C4_D3_D02_F7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n9eeNH)
(https://preview.ibb.co/i47Nbc/CC2_B5918_652_E_4127_B6_A2_A30860_A07909.jpg) (https://ibb.co/df3vwc)
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: Rivverrat on April 05, 2018, 12:30:02 AM
I've a couple of those reels around here some where.  When I was a kid I caught perch & channel cat with them. Your thread here & posting of this video has given me a desire to get them out & use them again... Jeff
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on April 05, 2018, 12:44:36 AM
Yeh I inhereted a 79 - fair condition - not sure what to do with it :-\
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: oc1 on April 05, 2018, 06:52:27 PM
The 78 has one of those new-fangled clutches and free spool.  It could probably be tuned to cast really well.

It came out at a time when lines were changing so the proportions are peculiar.  It's rated for 200 yards of 36# mono.  36# line is a lot when you can only generate about three to five pounds of drag with thumb pressure.  It would cast much better with fifteen to twenty pound mono but you would have more line yardage than required for the task at hand.
-steve
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: akfish on April 05, 2018, 10:24:33 PM
The 249 was a knuckle buster as well. It had the same profile as a 49 and 149 but no drag or anti-reverse.
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: festus on April 05, 2018, 10:35:10 PM
Yep, I have the Penn 77, 78, and 79.  My No 78 isn't as good shape as your's, TongassFisher, all it's had is a wipedown, needs some cleaner screws and posts, maybe even a handle.  It seems to work very well, I just haven't spooled and cast it.  Mine has the lighthouse scene on the tail plate plus a wooden handle knob.

My No 79 is the first freespool baitcaster I owned.  Don't remember what I gave for it (late 1960s) but I got a buck and some change back.  I quit using it after I bought my first Abu 5000.

Never cast the No 77 either.  Should do fairly well.  I learned baitcasting on an old levelwind Shakespeare Triumph knucklebuster. I bet the No 77 is a better caster.
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: Rivverrat on April 05, 2018, 11:46:00 PM
I'm gaining a renewed interest in these reels. I think they offer the conventional reel user a pure form of fishing.  With today's 2 speed reels & star drag reels with extremely smooth drags an angler can go about  to a degree, running dumb. Mindlessly throwing to what ever spot looks good

On the river I fish a reel like those in this post, one would have to plan a bit, with more thinking ahead about where your at in regards to a fish once hooked.  I think using one of these reels would expose things I've   excepted as the norm & taken for granted for a very long time... I'm really liking the idea of fishing an old knuckle buster.  

I think for the same reason I put down my rifle for hunting & now hunt most times with handgun & bow... Jeff
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: Brewcrafter on April 20, 2018, 05:14:42 AM
Cleaned and tuned one of these over the winter.  Spooled it with 30# Dacron with a top shot of 25# mono, and married it to an old "broomstick" split bamboo ocean rod from the 1940-50s that belongs to a buddy.  Just waiting to find some SoCal yellowtail hanging under a kelp paddy this summer and "whoo boy!" Gonna try it old style!
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: xjchad on April 20, 2018, 03:05:57 PM
Quote from: Brewcrafter on April 20, 2018, 05:14:42 AM
Cleaned and tuned one of these over the winter.  Spooled it with 30# Dacron with a top shot of 25# mono, and married it to an old "broomstick" split bamboo ocean rod from the 1940-50s that belongs to a buddy.  Just waiting to find some SoCal yellowtail hanging under a kelp paddy this summer and "whoo boy!" Gonna try it old style!

I'd love to watch, sounds fun!!
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: nelz on April 20, 2018, 04:44:57 PM
Nice collector reel.

For actual fishing, I would draw the line at no free spool though. That spinning handle is a disaster waiting to happen!
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: Decker on April 20, 2018, 06:14:30 PM
Quote from: Rivverrat on April 05, 2018, 11:46:00 PM
I'm gaining a renewed interest in these reels. I think they offer the conventional reel user a pure form of fishing.  With today's 2 speed reels & star drag reels with extremely smooth drags an angler can go about  to a degree, running dumb. Mindlessly throwing to what ever spot looks good

On the river I fish a reel like those in this post, one would have to plan a bit, with more thinking ahead about where your at in regards to a fish once hooked.  I think using one of these reels would expose things I've   excepted as the norm & taken for granted for a very long time... I'm really liking the idea of fishing an old knuckle buster.  

I think for the same reason I put down my rifle for hunting & now hunt most times with handgun & bow... Jeff

I can appreciate what you are saying, Riverrat.   Like the difference between driving a car to work and riding a bicycle -- there is a qualitative difference that can't be measured, but slowing down gives you a richer experience.   I imagine that Steve (OC1) is experiencing that.   It's one of the attractions of fly-fishing too.
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: George6308 on April 20, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
The Penn 185 is another Penn without the star drag. It's the same size as the Penn 180 Baymaster.
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: oc1 on April 21, 2018, 02:17:21 AM
Be on the look-out for one of those leather thumb stalls Jeff and Brew.  They make a big difference with a fish on.  If you can't find them I can make them up for you.
-steve
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: Rivverrat on April 21, 2018, 02:27:13 AM
Quote from: oc1 on April 21, 2018, 02:17:21 AM
Be on the look-out for one of those leather thumb stalls Jeff and Brew.  They make a big difference with a fish on.  If you can't find them I can make them up for you.
-steve

Appreciate that Steve. I think I've enough left over leather to fashion something.  Right now I'm having trouble finding these reels I thought I had. I'll give E Bay a look.   
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: Shark Hunter on April 21, 2018, 06:11:20 AM
I have several of these old 70 series Dinosaurs in mint condish.
When I retire, I will fish them thoroughly. ;)
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: Rivverrat on April 21, 2018, 02:05:29 PM
Guys I need to some education on these reels.  Not finding the two I have any where. Is there a benchmark model ? I'm wanting to use 30 - 40 lb. line ?  ... Jeff
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: Swami805 on April 21, 2018, 02:25:12 PM
98 silver beach is a knuckle buster and would be ok with 30lb. Might try taping your thumb instead of a thumb stall
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: TongassFisher on January 02, 2019, 02:25:24 AM
I've acquired a few more knuckle busters to add to the collection.

Here is a Penn 165 I scored off EBay that was already pretty darn clean. The stand has seen better days but looks original and does not have a part number so I'm guessing it's correct?

(https://i.ibb.co/8dR0cLY/524-D342-B-D7-A9-4-A9-B-BA45-B73-C3-A054456.jpg) (https://ibb.co/61pmB7X)
(https://i.ibb.co/B4XgGyB/BF85-A4-DB-5-F59-4-B67-B5-C0-02854-D934204.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XyhzD7t)
(https://i.ibb.co/b798gGc/278-FDDFB-AAE1-4-ED3-B3-F5-9-B715-A3-C00-E6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JCJMRSD)
(https://i.ibb.co/94qvvtw/8928-FA53-C0-C4-4481-888-B-4-C79-FE8-F3-F06.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NNL33S1)
(https://i.ibb.co/kJwqYB2/B57-F34-B7-F02-F-40-D5-8501-3-B84-FD404-AD4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KDfVChx)
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: TongassFisher on January 02, 2019, 02:28:28 AM
Also cleaned up an Atlantic 14 that I would love help identifying an approximate date of when it was made?

(https://i.ibb.co/wdRF2Mx/336-A79-CD-A9-BD-4-FF3-841-B-6358-D17-BFFB2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nwbNKz5)
(https://i.ibb.co/5MStLTb/09-DCF624-80-FF-442-E-BA8-F-664-E9-C9-E721-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7YZ8Kvs)
(https://i.ibb.co/z8c84Yt/4-D97-ABDB-2-B7-D-4-E68-A2-A6-4573830-E9315.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M8T8C4J)
(https://i.ibb.co/VqCNwSB/BBB97-DB3-4497-48-A7-BADF-102625-D635-F6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MC1hBVN)
Title: Re: Penn Knuckle Busters
Post by: TongassFisher on January 02, 2019, 02:34:31 AM
And last for now is a $10 Penn 77 that is very clean and will be fished this year. I'm hoping to hone my casts from shore and make this my go to creek and beach casting reel for coho and pinks. I'll mount it on a long,  slow action rod.

(https://i.ibb.co/s3Cr6jJ/2-A448-E99-F5-D2-4-C11-B35-D-860-C66-FCEA1-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YjXGy2T)
(https://i.ibb.co/JkXsnbf/F67-CB474-2114-44-D3-9927-CF216-C01-B945.jpg) (https://ibb.co/F7GD6fS)