Thought I'd try adding a second dog to a 349h. I had some extra parts laying around from doing the Cortez kit, found a NOS Newell spool for cheap on fleabay (figured it wasn't a narrow 6/0 as listed) a frame from CC and a drag insert from motive fab. I don't have the tools or skills for anything fancy so it's kinda of a hack job. Anyway I had a side plate to trash, a dog from a 49, a yoke spring and the gear sleeve pin from a 9/0.
Next I dremeled the sideplates, multiple times to get everything to fit, not much left there but I think enough. I drilled a hole (well 3 holes, 3's a charm right?) for a pin to hold the end of the dog spring. A little filing on the pin for a groove to hold the spring on the pin. Then some filing on the dog to get it to fit. Put it together using the bridge screw to pivot the dog. It actually works!!
Any tips would be greatly appreciated. I have another side plate and 49 dog so I'm going to do it over so I leave more material on the side plate and try to get the dog to sit flush. It's alternating which is what I was shooting for. Pretty much a hack job but got rid of most of the handle slop
Thanks for looking and any help from the pros is welcome
Sheridan
And thanks for the beautiful walnut handle knob Sal, fits perfect on this reel!!
Cool build, Sheridan, and such a great find on the spool, I really dig the overall look of it!
Very nice job Sheridan, it isn't an easy one, but you've shown it can be done.
I've forgotten about that knob, it is the very first one I made :).
Thanks for showing us how its done.
Sal
That's a killer build Sheridan! I fancied the red over maroon side plates in general for a long time, I spose because they are newer, but I now I'm on the side of maroon with black trimmings- maybe reminds of the pair of Broadbill Specials I bought 20 years ago, I dunno. Something stealthy and ole skool about it.
John
Quote from: Swami805 on January 24, 2019, 04:29:33 AM
I don't have the tools or skills for anything fancy so it's kinda of a hack job.
Don't look like no hack job to me...I think it came out nice! 8)
Thanks Guys. I have another plate so I'll do it over without so many holes for the pin,HAHA. A 1st edition Sal knob, I like it!
Anyone know if lug blanks are available anywhere? Not a fan of those big harness lugs sticking out the top so I left them open which isn't good. I could use 2 sets. I have a set 4/0 size I'd trade if anyone is looking.
Thanks
Looks good but I'd file off the end of the 15-49 to get better engagement, remove the red so the tip fits the gear sleeve ratchet better. Ideally a longer AR 49 dog filed to fit would work better but they are not available as of now.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/1583_24_01_19_7_51_06.jpeg)
Good job !!
Thanks Lee, I was planning to use a fresh dog and file it to get it flush to the dog. Not enough meat left on this one to keep it alternating.
Do you have one? I might have a stock one somewhere but no telling where.
Looks like a fun project. A couple things to think about:
1. The bridge plate needs a flat surface to rest on to ensure that it does not twist under load or transfer all the load to one point on the side plate. It is hard to tell from the photo, but it looks like the supporting surface was removed for one side of the bridge plate.
2. The dog engagement needs to be tangent to the ratchet tooth rotation. Imagine a circle that goes through the centers of all of the ratchet teeth. Now make a line that goes through the center of the dog post that is tangent to the circle. When a ratchet tooth hits the tangent line, the dog surface should mate completely with the ratchet tooth- nice and flat. If the engagement gets too far below the tangent line, the dog is basically wedging itself into the "V" between the teeth. Many custom second dog designs have this issue because it is often more convenient to position the dog post in a non-optimal spot. Also, it is best to have the dog tooth be as straight as possible, and not too far from the ratchet.
3. Using the bridge screw for a dog post is a good idea in that the post is supported on both sides, much better than a just a pin in the bridge plate, as long as you can resolve items 1,2 from above. Otherwise, you might be better off relocating the dog post.
4. Here is another double dog 349 build where the builder (MHC) actually tested the load. If you want to attempt a test yourself, it is worth reading the reply from Sal about tightening down the star.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14241.msg147255#msg147255 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=14241.msg147255#msg147255)
-J
thats pretty nice build Sheridan,
what model of newell comes with that V spool?
Nice one Sheridan, you know how to make yours.
Joe
Thanks for the tips. There's a small bit of side plate under the bridge there, I just kept cutting until it worked, I'll know better on the next one. I'll file another dog so it will sit better in the ratchet and see what kind of angle I can get if it's a little longer, the limiting factor is using the bridge screw as the pin. I'm sure it's better using a pin on the bridge just don't have the tools or know how to pull that off, It's a second dog for hacks.
Before I do another I'll test this one and see what kind of drag it can take, I know that insert can get some serious drag. The stock dog has 2 contact points on the ratchet so if this one fails it should still not go knuckle buster I'd think. The 2nd dog took out most of the handle slop since it alternates which is nice.
Alex, Newell made those spools for the 349 back in the day, not alot of them around,I just got lucky. I have one in my Cortez kit, I bought a reel to get it. The 349H was a popular wahoo reel since it moves a lure fast and decent drags for that size fish.
Thanks again, Sheridan
If Penn had sold 349/349H reels with aluminum "29L-349" spools I think they would not have been discontinued in the mid 80's. Unfortunately as far as I know Penn never made a aluminum spool 349. I have Newell and Tiburon aluminum 349 spools in the reels I fish.
A bit late to the party, but jurelometer makes a good point about the dog pin being on or close to a tangent with the ratchet. I've got a couple of dogs you can have if you want to try them - I copied Redsetta's double dogging of his Monster Mariner a few years ago, using the bridge screw as the dog post. The dogs were made by Lee, the first dog was one of his later 349 versions and the second a custom longer dog I fitted to achieve alternating engagement. There were close up photos in the following post but they seem to have been lost in the photophucket debacle. The fifth photo down shows a view of the two dogs on the bridge & I've attached a photo of them with a couple of springs I made. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13492.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13492.0)
I've since put posts on the bridge and won't need them again so if you want to try them, send me a PM with your mailing address and I'll pop them in the mail. NC
Mike
Thanks Mike, I had read that thread before I started but without pictures I went off the reservation a little bit. Would b e great to get those parts you made , I'll send you a pm. Thanks again Sheridan
An update, Mike (mhc) was kind enough to send me the dogs he'd made and PM'd me some very helpful advice about a better setup for the dogs. Had a chance to put it together, dremeled a new plate so no funky hole in it and it matches the other side plate.
Thanks Mike, hope to put a beating on the reel in a few months!
Sheridan
Great job, Sheridan, and awesome of Mike to hook you up! Are you going to put in a ss sleeve? I put a ss 113h sleeve in mine and it works great, Lee told me it would work and of course he was right!
Looks good Sheridan, glad they survived the journey! (Aus Post have lost a couple of my parcels over the last 6 months)
Mike
It needs an SS sleeve for sure with the drag insert so I'll get one. Thinking I'll spool it with 80lb braid, rockfish opens here next month and the new depth limit is 450'. I'm thinking it should work pretty good for that.
Sweet lookin' setup guys! 8)
Quote from: Swami805 on February 25, 2019, 02:03:53 PM
It needs an SS sleeve for sure with the drag insert so I'll get one. Thinking I'll spool it with 80lb braid, rockfish opens here next month and the new depth limit is 450'. I'm thinking it should work pretty good for that.
Sounds like a great match, I've also heard some say they love these for deep water Tilefish. I'm def taking mine next deep dropping trip...