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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Limey on December 04, 2011, 10:20:35 AM

Title: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Limey on December 04, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
Hi to all on the other side of the pond.

I think I know the answer to this one already but here goes:

I managed to get hold on a Senator 4/0 with a red spool and graphite cross bars front and rear. The cross bars and spool are shot away beyond all possible use. I actually wondered how someone has managed to put what looks like a saw edge on the spool rims and craters in it whilst bursting the screws out of the graphite bars. The internals were actually full of sand mixed with grease.

I'm guessing that I need to replace the spool with a new black version (or stainless?) and the graphite sections with chrome posts unless anyone knows where I can obtain a red spool and graphite bars. Something tells me that the red alloy spools are going to be a more difficult than obtaining red plastic spools for the old squidders.

Best wishes

Limey
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Irish Jigger on December 04, 2011, 12:04:46 PM
Red Alloy  (Anniversary) spools are as scarce as hens teeth in the UK but some of the guys on here  collect them so you may just be lucky ;D ;D ;D

BTW did you have the 26-155 Bearing problem resolved?
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Limey on December 04, 2011, 06:22:09 PM
I didn't know I had a bearing problem, I have flushed them with thinners and will re-lube. Is there anything else I should know?

Cheers

Limey
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Irish Jigger on December 04, 2011, 07:56:41 PM
The Chinese ones recently supplied by Penn Servicing for your Surfmaster 100 and 200 reels.
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Limey on December 04, 2011, 08:02:39 PM
Ahh right very sorry, I struggle to think of two things at once.

I have given the Surfmaster bearings to a mate who works in a machine shop, he is going to skim 0.5mm off of the inside face of the nut where it sits on the outer face of the side plate to push the bearing further left. I'll let you know how it goes. If its no good I'll buy another set here in the UK and try a set from the US from Scotts or Chef Jim to compare.

Cheers

Limey

Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Irish Jigger on December 04, 2011, 09:06:29 PM
Thanks for that L.    I am interested in case I need these Bearings again. Skimming the inside face should help. You might like to try a "quick fix" by inserting a single lead shot inside the Bearing which should push the spool slightly away from the handle side of the reel. This method works with both spool bearings depending on which way the spool needs moving.
Good Luck,IJ.
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Limey on December 04, 2011, 10:40:18 PM
I'll let you know how I get on.

Mick at Penn servicing had mentioned inserting a lead shot or peice of solder. I haven't tried this as I sometimes add a squirt of grease when fishing if the reel gets a bit lively and dont know if the shot would get in the way. I got a spares of repair surfmaster that actually had a ball bearing hammered into the bearing once.

Cheers

Limey
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Alto Mare on December 05, 2011, 12:16:18 AM
A lead shot is a good idea, I don't believe that it would get in the way of you greasing the bearing.
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Dominick on December 05, 2011, 02:35:37 AM
Hey Limey:  I think I know the reel you are talking about.  If you can, would you please post some photos.  If I am not mistaken the cross supports are not graphite.  I may be way off.  Dominick
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: broadway on December 05, 2011, 03:17:07 AM
Limey,

      I'm sure someone can add to this, but I don't think Penn used graphite till long after the 50th anniversary. Also, there is a red 113H spool, never been spooled on Ebay now for $40... it's not a bad deal.

Good luck,
Dom
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Alto Mare on December 05, 2011, 03:46:09 AM
Thanks Dom...I was negotiating with the seller ::).
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Alto Mare on December 05, 2011, 03:57:14 AM
Quote from: Pescachaser on December 05, 2011, 02:35:37 AM
Hey Limey:   I may be way off.  Dominick

You " may " be off ? Isn't the weekend Zin time? ::)
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Dominick on December 05, 2011, 05:57:15 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 05, 2011, 03:57:14 AM
Quote from: Pescachaser on December 05, 2011, 02:35:37 AM
Hey Limey:   I may be way off.  Dominick

You " may " be off ? Isn't the weekend Zin time? ::)
Sal: My neighbor gave me a nine year old bottle of Malbec.  ish wunnaful. 
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: broadway on December 05, 2011, 06:47:15 AM
Sorry Sal... just trying to help a fellow member.  You usually beat me to the punch, I shoulda known  :o
Dom
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Irish Jigger on December 05, 2011, 09:50:49 AM
29L-113H Red Anniversary spools here.

http://www.reelygone.com/pepe33rodclk.html
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Alto Mare on December 05, 2011, 12:02:12 PM
Quote from: broadway on December 05, 2011, 06:47:15 AM
Sorry Sal... just trying to help a fellow member.  You usually beat me to the punch, I shoulda known  :o
Dom

Nah, don't worry Dom. You did the right thing, as always. That spool has been up for grabs for over a week now. The seller says that he will take best offers, but, he doesn't budge.


Limey, $40 is still better that $68. Ask for free shipping, he'll probably go for it. Good luck!
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Limey on December 05, 2011, 03:21:01 PM
Many thanks to all of you for the replies, taking the time is much appreciated.

I have now had the chance to take the reel apart and cleaned it properly.

I've a managed to get a discount black spool, a couple of stainless outer rings and chrome cross bars from Mick here in the UK for a few quid. As the remaining chrome/brass is so badly pitted, the graphite cross bars are unobtainable, the two remaining inner rings will are pitted chrome whilst the outers  will be stainless, and the side plates are scratched I'm going to rebuild it cheaply, strap it to my conger eel rod and go fishing with it. Then I can enjoy it in all its battered glory. I won't have to worry if I drop it. I don't think I could recoup the costs of a full restoration.

Cheers for looking out that red spool for me Irish Jigger. Very kind of you.

Tight lines and kind regards to all

Limey

Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Norcal Pescador on December 05, 2011, 03:45:31 PM
Quote from: Limey on December 05, 2011, 03:21:01 PM
......... I'm going to rebuild it cheaply, strap it to my conger eel rod and go fishing with it. Then I can enjoy it in all its battered glory. I won't have to worry if I drop it.


Limey, just think how satisfying it will be when you are catching as well with your old 'beater' reel as the blokes with their fancy gold reels. ;D
Good luck to you!
Rob
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: broadway on December 05, 2011, 07:00:22 PM
Now ya just gotta worry about those conger teeth!
Dom
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Limey on January 17, 2012, 11:26:29 PM
Message for Irish Jigger (and anyone else interested).

I had a few new Chinese made right side spool bearings for Surfmasters that sat the spool too far to the right. I had a friend in a machine shop shave 0.5mm or thereabouts off of the internal face of the bolt head to allow the bearing to sit further left. This seems to have worked and the spool now sits nicely centered. He says it was a difficult job and some of the threads were a bit flattened when I got them back so I will have to run them over with a die.

I think I might order a few old stock American made bearings from your side of the pond and keep them in store rather than go through all this hassle again.

Best of luck to all.

Limey
Title: Re: Penn 4/0 Red Spool
Post by: Irish Jigger on January 18, 2012, 10:12:21 PM
Glad you got it sorted Limey. Pity there are issues with the new bearings.
You have a PM.