I went carp fishing first time on Wallkill river over the weekend. Locals are not fishing for carp, few guys stated that carps are invasive trash fish. So we were fishing from 7am-5pm and caught only 3 flats and large turtle. ;D
I dont have fresh water setup and used my 7, 9, 10f medium heavy saltwater surf rods and my line is 40-80lb. Surf rods are not the most sensitive and I feel that I missed few carps. Same with saltwater bobbler are more heavier.
Im asking assistance and recommendations what is the best setup for freshwater carp fishing? Unfortunately most YouTube videos are from UK/EU we dont have carp rods in USA.
Thanks in advance.
Maybe Steve-0 will chime in. He kills carp. He should be able to tell you what gear to use. Dominick
Quote from: Riy2018 on August 10, 2020, 01:34:08 AMIm asking assistance and recommendations what is the best setup for freshwater carp fishing?
What kind of carp are you going for? Also, the setup type depends on what method you're using to target them.
You're gear is great,,,, ;) use no weight or a slide sinker ,,,,,white bread with corn juice,,,, :D carp are smart fish if they fill your line they know that trick,,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: nelz on August 10, 2020, 03:25:57 AM
Quote from: Riy2018 on August 10, 2020, 01:34:08 AMIm asking assistance and recommendations what is the best setup for freshwater carp fishing?
What kind of carp are you going for? Also, the setup type depends on what method you're using to target them.
NY river and water reservoirs has plenty of common carp. mostly it fisherman is Eastern Europeans, many Polish, Ukrainian and Russian.
The rivers has very low stream, murky waters.
Im learning from any resources.
Quote from: Riy2018 on August 10, 2020, 04:35:29 AM
Quote from: nelz on August 10, 2020, 03:25:57 AM
Quote from: Riy2018 on August 10, 2020, 01:34:08 AMIm asking assistance and recommendations what is the best setup for freshwater carp fishing?
What kind of carp are you going for? Also, the setup type depends on what method you're using to target them.
NY river and water reservoirs has plenty of common carp. mostly it fisherman is Eastern Europeans, many Polish, Ukrainian and Russian.
The rivers has very low stream, murky waters.
Im learning from any resources.
I would not use any weight,,,,, ;) flip my bail and use a #4 or #2 treble,,,,,be on the look out for good dough bread in the blue bag,,,,,, :o carp fishing is difficult I had to find out the hard way but it paid off,,,,,, ;D
oh boy, where do I start? ...for now, check out CAG:
https://www.carpanglersgroup.com/forum/index.php (https://www.carpanglersgroup.com/forum/index.php)
(don't need to join for Beginners Section)
Carp fishing is a one way down the rabbit hole haha! I'm steering clear as I don't want another obsession in my life.
But good luck! :)
you missed the spring feeding frenzy & fall fattening for winter won't start for a month
Summer is difficult -- they feed less & for shorter periods; more finicky; more line-shy
IGNORE THE JUMPERS IN OPEN WATER -- THEY AIN'T FEEDIN' !!!
instead, try "carpy" looking areas adjacent to the jumpers & more shoreline-oriented
Quote from: Riy2018 on August 10, 2020, 01:34:08 AM
I went carp fishing first time on Wallkill river over the weekend. Locals are not fishing for carp, few guys stated that carps are invasive trash fish. So we were fishing from 7am-5pm
wrong Summer time: pre-dusk to post-dawn is best... go home 8am, unless something is still happening
and caught only 3 flats and large turtle. ;D
I dont have fresh water setup and used my 7, 9, 10f medium heavy saltwater surf rods
TOO HEAVY; TOO STIFF; barely long enough
and my line is 40-80lb. WAAAAAAAAAAAY TOO HEAVY!!!
15# or 17# Big Game is most common budget carp mono
12# -- if you can get away with it; 20# -- for extra abrasion resistance
(that's why carp rods are longer, lighter & more moderate -- to protect the line)
Surf rods are not the most sensitive and I feel that I missed few carps. Same with saltwater bobbler are more heavier.
Im asking assistance and recommendations what is the best setup for freshwater carp fishing? Unfortunately most YouTube videos are from UK/EU we dont have carp rods in USA.
WHAT??? Who told you THAT??? SPIT IN HIS FACE!!!
all the basic & half the fancy Euro stuff is already here:
https://www.bigcarptackle.com/?xid=EJGm4iZ5THgA3SQk0iyLSa0eQ5G3OWDT (https://www.bigcarptackle.com/?xid=EJGm4iZ5THgA3SQk0iyLSa0eQ5G3OWDT)
https://monstercarptackle.com/?v=e4b09f3f8402 (https://monstercarptackle.com/?v=e4b09f3f8402)
Thanks in advance.
WELCOME ;D
I use small eggbeaters with 1-3 kg line a small hook don't use any weight, squash bread on the hook to make a dough ball that will be your weight to be able to cast. Leave the bail arm open and let the fish swim off with the bait a couple of metres before setting the hook. They are great fight on light line and make good shark and crab bait. Good luck.
Kim
Graeme Pullen @ TA Fishing on YT does a lot of carp fishing videos on really simple gear and tackle. Channel is well worth checking out even for his other fishing adventures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD7NcMm19CM
NY river and water reservoirs has plenty of common carp. mostly it fisherman is Eastern Europeans, many Polish, Ukrainian and Russian.
The rivers has very low stream, murky waters.
Im learning from any resources.
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I would not use any weight,,,,, ;) flip my bail and use a #4 or #2 treble,,,,,be on the look out for good dough bread in the blue bag,,,,,, :o carp fishing is difficult I had to find out the hard way but it paid off,,,,,, ;D
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gorgeous fish!
your right I had 2 once sinker for better casting. I didnot feel any bites. next time going in September.
Quote from: Sharkb8 on August 10, 2020, 07:47:26 AM
I use small eggbeaters with 1-3 kg line a small hook don't use any weight, squash bread on the hook to make a dough ball that will be your weight to be able to cast. Leave the bail arm open and let the fish swim off with the bait a couple of metres before setting the hook. They are great fight on light line and make good shark and crab bait. Good luck.
Kim
Thank you
I only have 2 small rods. SHimano FX 6 M and one 5.6 Cabelas rod - flimsy not working well.
By the way can I use Salmon 9f rod? I believe it is very sensitive.
longer, more moderate Salmon/Steelhead is great
older glass Fen/Lami/Harnell/etc. is FANTASTIC!!!
plain wire guides are OK w/ mono & who cares about few ounces extra blank weight, unless Stalking?
whether you choose ML, M or MH, depends:
- how big are the fish? go by COMMON SIZE -- an ML(esp., glass) can handle a rare trophy
- can you let them run? some spots are excellent, but the fish must be "convinced with AUTHORITY" not to go in a certain direction
- what are your alternate purposes for the rod?
it's not so much the sensitivity of the tip for bite detection, as having a long, limber, forgiving entire top half
to avoid ripping comparatively small hooks through boneless rubbery lips w/ serious mass behind them
(bite detection is usually accomplished with bite alarms, Baitrunners, conventional clickers, loosened drags, open bails, etc.)
if you're going w/ a 9-footer, Fast Action would make me cringe & I'd avoid X-Fast like the plague
Mod/Fast would be a better casting tool & more versatile for other uses
Moderate would be a better tool for fighting bigger fish & better protect lighter line (forget that 40-80#)
if all you have to go by is line rating, look for a wide range -- e.g., 8-20# rather than 12-20#; 10-30#, rather than 15-30#; etc.
as a matter of fact, the 10' Med 4-20# Ugly is a good budget all-arounder (esp., old US-made)
just wear out the crappy components for a few years & have it rebuilt w/ Fuji & an extra foot or two up the butt ;D
if you have room to swing it, 11'-13' gives you more leeway w/ rod Action & better line control (
and a fine L/UL Surf Rod!!!)
9'-10' Carp rods are generally concessions to clearance (overgrown banks w/ low overhead branches);
weight (Stalking Rods for wading/sight-fishing rod-in-hand, for hours); or storage/transport issues (consider 3-pc)
Cat fish/carp, I see a lot of folks I fish with use Berkley glass rods (MH) from walmart at $20
They have some catfish combo outfits. you can actually toss you bait by hand or use a launcher, like a lacrosse stick (modified or similar)
Thank you!. :)
I feel that river fishing is lazy fishing compare to open ocean beach.
Benni 3, are you confident that is a common carp in your picture? The mouth looks a little goofy, more like a bigmouth buffalo, although the fish does not look like a buff either.
Frank
Went last week; used a Shakespeare 2071 (Courtesy of Recoil Rob--thanks again) with 12 lb. test Trilene on a Bass Pro Shops spinning rod, 5 ft. 8 in. graphite med. action handling 10-20 lb. test. Terminal tackle includes a sliding sinker, small spit shot to keep the sliding sinker away from the hook, #4 heavy hook with earthwork gob bait. Fished at an inlet with current, so no sinker not an option. Cast out, reel in until you feel the sinker, then relax the line just a tad and hook it over your finger to feel bites. When feel a bite, drop the line off your finger immediately; when bite progresses to firmer tugs, set the hook and hold on.
Tried again this afternoon, using a Daiwa Silvercast (old style) RL 212 spincast, also with 12 lb. test and same terminal tackle/technique. Rod was an Abu Garcia Premier Conolon 7 ft., med.-heavy action handling 10-25 lb. test line.
The sliding sinker will not tip off the fish as to the weight. The 12 lb. test would be light for a monster carp, but will handle them up to 20 lbs. at least, which covers 98 % of what you'll run into, and the 12 lb. test is less visible than anything heavier.
Have also used corn kernels as bait (not legal everywhere). Doughballs sometimes too; put an inkpen spring on the shaft of a #4 hook to help hold the bait on; doughball is just a little flour, water, crumble a little bran or wheat flakes cereal in and one small drop of anise flavoring.
Carp are looked down on by many, but they will fight harder than almost any other freshwater fish, and be bigger than most things you'll catch in fresh.
Frank
Quote from: happyhooker on August 11, 2020, 12:03:05 AM
Benni 3, are you confident that is a common carp in your picture? The mouth looks a little goofy, more like a bigmouth buffalo, although the fish does not look like a buff either.
Frank
Grass Carp aka White Amur
Quote from: philaroman on August 11, 2020, 12:54:45 AM
Quote from: happyhooker on August 11, 2020, 12:03:05 AM
Benni 3, are you confident that is a common carp in your picture? The mouth looks a little goofy, more like a bigmouth buffalo, although the fish does not look like a buff either.
Frank
Grass Carp aka White Amur
Yes sir that was a grass carp,,,,,,, ;) I think this 1 is a buffalo,,,,,,, ;D
That Penn Torque spinner will handle big Amberjack, sharks, etc, lol. ::)
Quote from: nelz on August 11, 2020, 03:47:33 AM
That Penn Torque spinner will handle big Amberjack, sharks, etc, lol. ::)
I was in pella Iowa on the other side of a dam,,,,, ;) and this nice man said I don't think you gear is strong enough for a big fish here,,,,,what hehe,, :D :o ;D
Thank you for advise.
All my rods are for
Quote from: philaroman on August 10, 2020, 01:57:33 PM
longer, more moderate Salmon/Steelhead is great
older glass Fen/Lami/Harnell/etc. is FANTASTIC!!!
plain wire guides are OK w/ mono & who cares about few ounces extra blank weight, unless Stalking?
whether you choose ML, M or MH, depends:
- how big are the fish? go by COMMON SIZE -- an ML(esp., glass) can handle a rare trophy
- can you let them run? some spots are excellent, but the fish must be "convinced with AUTHORITY" not to go in a certain direction
- what are your alternate purposes for the rod?
it's not so much the sensitivity of the tip for bite detection, as having a long, limber, forgiving entire top half
to avoid ripping comparatively small hooks through boneless rubbery lips w/ serious mass behind them
(bite detection is usually accomplished with bite alarms, Baitrunners, conventional clickers, loosened drags, open bails, etc.)
if you're going w/ a 9-footer, Fast Action would make me cringe & I'd avoid X-Fast like the plague
Mod/Fast would be a better casting tool & more versatile for other uses
Moderate would be a better tool for fighting bigger fish & better protect lighter line (forget that 40-80#)
if all you have to go by is line rating, look for a wide range -- e.g., 8-20# rather than 12-20#; 10-30#, rather than 15-30#; etc.
as a matter of fact, the 10' Med 4-20# Ugly is a good budget all-arounder (esp., old US-made)
just wear out the crappy components for a few years & have it rebuilt w/ Fuji & an extra foot or two up the butt ;D
if you have room to swing it, 11'-13' gives you more leeway w/ rod Action & better line control (and a fine L/UL Surf Rod!!!)
9'-10' Carp rods are generally concessions to clearance (overgrown banks w/ low overhead branches);
weight (Stalking Rods for wading/sight-fishing rod-in-hand, for hours); or storage/transport issues (consider 3-pc)
All my rods are for surf or boat. MH, H or XH. they are stiff, and can pull shark, large fish. I called St>Croix - discontinued carp rods. Ugly/Penn - are on back order due to China or Covid. Do you know any other US made rods?
Quote from: Riy2018 on August 11, 2020, 07:21:43 PM
Do you know any other US made rods?
You and I are looking for the same sort of rod. When St. Croix moved production and started getting stingy with their banks I moved my allegiance to Lamiglass. Lamiglass has salmon/steelhead blanks up to 13 feet. Made in USA but be prepared to pay the price. They often have some sort of discount running.
https://www.lamiglas.com/collections/fishing-rod-blanks (https://www.lamiglas.com/collections/fishing-rod-blanks)
The Chinese factory that makes graphite blanks for Rainshadow, Alps, Batson and others has fly rod blanks up to 10 feet. They are very inexpensive if you buy them unbranded on ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=graphite+rod+blank+10ft&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=graphite+rod+blank+10%27 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=graphite+rod+blank+10ft&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=graphite+rod+blank+10%27)
For your application, there is no difference in fly rod blanks and salmon/steelhead rod blanks. Take the fly rod weight rating (e.g. 2 wt, 4 wt, etc) and divide by 16 to get the suggested lure weight in ounces like you would see on a salmon/steelhead rod.
-steve
[/quote] All my rods are for surf or boat. MH, H or XH. they are stiff, and can pull shark, large fish. I called St>Croix - discontinued carp rods. Ugly/Penn - are on back order due to China or Covid. Do you know any other US made rods?
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Surf gear is great for carps that's the set up I gave marlo,,,,, ;) it doesn't matter how heavy the line is just put a 20lb litter on,,,, ;) I use a tfo 9ft steelhead rod now it's called a searunner ,,,, :) but it's not strong enough for anything over 20lbs and that's a problem you never know what you're going to hook like a 40lb carp or a 50lb flathead I'm sure where ever your at there's a big one in there I want to see you catch it,,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: oc1 on August 11, 2020, 08:25:28 PM
Quote from: Riy2018 on August 11, 2020, 07:21:43 PM
Do you know any other US made rods?
You and I are looking for the same sort of rod. When St. Croix moved production and started getting stingy with their banks I moved my allegiance to Lamiglass. Lamiglass has salmon/steelhead blanks up to 13 feet. Made in USA but be prepared to pay the price. They often have some sort of discount running.
https://www.lamiglas.com/collections/fishing-rod-blanks (https://www.lamiglas.com/collections/fishing-rod-blanks)
The Chinese factory that makes graphite blanks for Rainshadow, Alps, Batson and others has fly rod blanks up to 10 feet. They are very inexpensive if you buy them unbranded on ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=graphite+rod+blank+10ft&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=graphite+rod+blank+10%27 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?%3Cbr%20/%3E_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=graphite+rod+blank+10ft&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=graphite+rod+blank+10%27)
For your application, there is no difference in fly rod blanks and salmon/steelhead rod blanks. Take the fly rod weight rating (e.g. 2 wt, 4 wt, etc) and divide by 16 to get the suggested lure weight in ounces like you would see on a salmon/steelhead rod.
-steve
Can I pair Fly rod and spinning reel?
I dont know how to use fly reels.
Quote from: Riy2018 on August 12, 2020, 12:18:52 AM
Can I pair Fly rod and spinning reel?
I dont know how to use fly reels.
Me neither but most of my UL baitcasting rods started out as fly rod blanks.
-s
Yes,,,,, ;) Larry uses a fly rod with a Mitchell 308,,,,, ;D
HA -- everybody steers toward what they like:
I'm pushin' you toward the longer lighter stuff; Steve wants you to build your own;
and Benni wants you to grab whatever is handy & just have fun
you seem to want something shorter & beefier than what I like, so I went with that,
yet something I would still consider a great rod/value -- this custom Fenwick SH 1024 F really caught my eye:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Fenwick-Custom-Fenglass-Spinning-Rod-Blank-SH-1024-F-Very-Nice/193618541980?hash=item2d14907d9c:g:qr8AAOSwLgxfMFZx (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Fenwick-Custom-Fenglass-Spinning-Rod-Blank-SH-1024-F-Very-Nice/193618541980?hash=item2d14907d9c:g:qr8AAOSwLgxfMFZx)
I believe SH=steelhead action; 102=8'6"; 4=Power (M/MH Steve?); F=fiberglass or fast (Steve?)
looks nicely overbuilt with S/W components -- a rod you could put down on the muddy bank & wouldn't want to put down on the boat ;D
hey, if you actually called Croix about Avid Carp Rods, you can afford TWO of these ;)
& you'll know EXACTLY what you like for the next one
Quote from: Benni3 on August 11, 2020, 03:24:54 AM
Quote from: philaroman on August 11, 2020, 12:54:45 AM
Quote from: happyhooker on August 11, 2020, 12:03:05 AM
Benni 3, are you confident that is a common carp in your picture? The mouth looks a little goofy, more like a bigmouth buffalo, although the fish does not look like a buff either.
Frank
Grass Carp aka White Amur
Yes sir that was a grass carp,,,,,,, ;) I think this 1 is a buffalo,,,,,,, ;D
Two fairly common kinds of buffalo--smallmouth & largemouth. Pic might be a smallmouth. I believe they are both fighters.
Frank
I never had Okuma before.
Some one recommended to me SPINNING ROD CELILO model, states that it is good and light.
https://www.amazon.com/OKUMA-Celilo-Graphite-Steelhead-Spinning/dp/B005IMZI66?th=1
I dont like Amazon reviews, mostly made up.
Quote from: Riy2018 on August 12, 2020, 10:16:52 PMI never had Okuma before.
Some one recommended to me SPINNING ROD CELILO model, states that it is good and light.
Wow, that's dirt cheap, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Nothing against Okuma, but no doubt it's just one of their low end rods given the price.
I suggest you go to a tackle shop and try out a few to get a feel for what you like.
Quote from: nelz on August 13, 2020, 03:42:15 AM
Quote from: Riy2018 on August 12, 2020, 10:16:52 PMI never had Okuma before.
Some one recommended to me SPINNING ROD CELILO model, states that it is good and light.
Wow, that's dirt cheap, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Nothing against Okuma, but no doubt it's just one of their low end rods given the price.
I suggest you go to a tackle shop and try out a few to get a feel for what you like.
Ok,,,,,, :D i got a okuma celilo rated for musky,,,,, :o fabulous rod for the price $39 close out,,,, :( but the guides where not braid friendly,,,,, ;) but that's ok I gave it to a friend who loves it,,,,,,,, ;D
Quote from: Riy2018 on August 12, 2020, 10:16:52 PM
I never had Okuma before.
Some one recommended to me SPINNING ROD CELILO model, states that it is good and light.
https://www.amazon.com/OKUMA-Celilo-Graphite-Steelhead-Spinning/dp/B005IMZI66?th=1
I dont like Amazon reviews, mostly made up.
are you asking about Celilo Salmon/SH, in general?
or are you actually coming over to the Light Side ;D
& considering the 8'6" ML, specifically?
YOU CAN FISH FOR CARP WITH CHEAP RODS
YOU CAN FISH FOR CARP WITH LIGHT RODS!!! YOU CAN'T DO BOTH !!!
;D ;D ;D
Agree. I had many cheap rods in past, first rod from Models Sport and then few Shakespeare - heavy & bulky. I wasnt catching many fish or desired fish.
Years after invested into high end Penn and StCroix Avid - the difference in handling, sensitivity & quality of guides changes whole fishing process.
Thanks everybody for recommendations. Ordering from Ebay is a big problem now, shipping is taking months.
I found few European Rod at BigCarpTackle
also, your Hudson trib. is virtually guaranteed to have several native cypriniform species (carpsuckers, redhorse, etc.)
they don't get as big as Carp/Buffalo, but still offer better consistent size potential than over-pressured Bass/Walley
they LOVE carp bait/chum & are a nuisance (along with small carp, channels & bullheads), if all you have is big-carp tackle
with lighter tackle, all the smaller stuff is most enjoyable AND a source of large LOCAL live bait you can't buy
8)
https://youtu.be/TvLxLJVQa94
Not everyone has the foresight to wear a PFD to go fish in a pond.
-steve
he just
Quote from: oc1 on August 14, 2020, 06:53:34 PM
Not everyone has the foresight to wear a PFD to go fish in a pond.
-steve
not, foresight -- EXPERIENCE: he's a POLE carper -- they always set the drag too high ;D
Roman, is it possible that the guy caught that fish before and came back with PFD, peanut gallery and video? Some fish have a strong site fidelity. Jewfish and bonefish come to mind but I don't know about carp.
-steve
location, location, location -- I'm sure that's a tiny impromptu peanut gallery, by urban Chinese standards
could be Mekong cats in that river -- nuts to go no-reel w/ such strong line, even with a PFD
don't know about Black Carp... I think commons have fidelity to established seasonal foraging routes,
rather than specific individual locations (except, maybe, resting areas & wintering holes where they don't feed much)
they can usually be counted on to come through once, or more, daily
if there's natural food or chum pile (where legal) -- they stay
Happy Monday!.
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https://youtu.be/8LyTgVAzEOA