Ok so I strongly suspect the final answer will be "as long as you got enough grease it doesnt matter." And that may well be the only answer I need. But I'm asking anyway.
As some of you know I'm polishing the body on my 8500SS. I figured the inside of the gearbox has done just fine for the past roughly 25 years with the paint it came with from the factory. But in the process of removing the exterior paint some paint stripper got into the gearbox. It wasn't super effective on the outside there was still a lot of elbow grease involved.
But... Some paint from the inside came off and some looks a bit bubbly. I assume I should try to remove the rest. The question is should I try to coat it with something in addition to the grease I plan to use? Should I try to repaint it?
Or does the sorta bubbly paint not even matter and I should just carry on?
Pic worth a thousand words, as usual.
Thanks in advance, I'm trying to wrap this thing up.
now, it's nooks-n-crannies for salt -- a corrosion magnet
IMO, strip it all & do whatever you do to the outside
The raw aluminum on the outside will get funky fairly quickly so it will not be a low-maintenance reel. You will be back inside in no time so I doubt that interior corrosion is going to be a problem.
-steve
At this point I would paint the whole thing. Dominick
Quote from: Dominick on September 25, 2020, 08:50:17 PM
At this point I would paint the whole thing. Dominick
At this point i have no less than 30 hours of sacrificed sleep put into polishing etc. I could get a clean body on fleabay for like 15 bucks if things go terribly. Not a snowballs chance in hell I'm painting this.
Not a fan of the polished look huh? If you'll excuse me I'll be busy blinding all the fish.
You didn't show the outside before. Right on, I wouldn't paint that either. Dominick
I like it.
I would keep a coat of wax on the outside for sure.
As far as the inside, I would just give everything a light coating of Penn Blue and Roll with it.
No salt should get on the inside with proper maintenance and sealing.
Quote from: Dominick on September 25, 2020, 11:53:56 PM
You didn't show the outside before. Right on, I wouldn't paint that either. Dominick
Sorry I made the mistake of assuming people were already familiar with what I'm up to. My own fault.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on September 25, 2020, 11:59:07 PM
I like it.
I would keep a coat of wax on the outside for sure.
As far as the inside, I would just give everything a light coating of Penn Blue and Roll with it.
No salt should get on the inside with proper maintenance and sealing.
I was honestly thinking just simple carnauba on the outside. I figure I'll give it a try if it gets hazy or something it'll come off with alcohol.
I'm looking forward to finishing this thing up. I'm usually quite humble but the self satisfaction is undeniable this time.
You did a double sprung 9500SS right? I'm curious about your spring layout. I got some wire and I'm getting ready to make my own.
Thats a great idea for an older reel where the paint might be chipped. I think it looks great polished up. You might try a wipe down with some T9 boeshield after each use, it has some waxes built into it. You can keep the wipedown rag in a plastic bag after each use.
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on September 25, 2020, 09:51:42 PM
Quote from: Dominick on September 25, 2020, 08:50:17 PM
At this point i have no less than 30 hours of sacrificed sleep put into polishing etc. I could get a clean body on fleabay for like 15 bucks if things go terribly. Not a snowballs chance in hell I'm painting this.
What technique did you apply to get the aluminum to polish up so nice?
Quote from: sabaman1 on September 26, 2020, 02:54:39 AM
What technique did you apply to get the aluminum to polish up so nice?
Oh I went with the tried and true screw it up a few times and go back over it method.
But knowing what I know now if I were to start over I'd begin by removing as much as i can with a combination of 320 grit sandpaper and wire brush dremel (not too much pressure on it) or I'm told citristrip works good on aluminum. Haven't tried it. Might try for the interior (the subject at hand with this thread).
I just went up progressively from 320 to 600 to 800 1000, 1500, 2000 then heavy buffing compound (i think i used mothers) then chrome polish on the cotton dremel head. And lots of it for a long time. I probably went through 15 of those cotton heads. side note be freaking careful those lil heads shoot off and I had to go back to 800 grit and work my way back up the line in a few spots when it surprised me.
It wouldnt have been as long if i had done it smarter from the beginning. I could see doing it in half the time if I were more careful.
T9 boeshield is new to me. I'll look into it.
Jason - Nice project! I'm gonna go back to very beginning of your post, apologies if I missed something - but basically at some point paint stripper got into the gear box? Now I know you are not trying to make the inside of this reel look like the outside (kudos on all the work on the polishing job and I echo everybody else here that appreciates your photos and is looking forward to the finished reel) BUT...seriously any contamination, no matter how minor, that got inside and "bubbled the paint" means you have contamination. I'm not saying you need to polish the inside of the housing (admittedly, totally wicked!) but if it was me I would try to mitigate ANY signs of chemical intrusion on the interior, so you don't have anything that will react with the grease/metal/other parts later. And...I would be concerned that prolonged exposure to even minor amounts of paint stripper over time inside the bubbles would actually begin to degrade the metal itself. Looking forward to seeing this reel as it goes back together! - john
To me aesthetics do not rate very highly when it comes to a functional piece of equipment, but this reel does look very nice the way it is now!
I would not polish the inside, remove the affected paint and cover it with some corrosion inhibiting substance (no suggestion what) I also wonder if some inside tolerances will be affected by the polishing should you do it.
Great work on the polishing!
I put it together and greased the heck out of it. I'm likely gonna disassemble and strip out the inside better soon but I'm trying to test out the AR kit this weekend if i can. The finish line is within sight.
It only took a month to get to it but I finally disassembled it and stripped off all the internal paint. I'm pretty happy with the end result.
Still haven't been able to test the dang thing yet. I've had very busy weekends and the one fishing trip I did make got rained out. Still tried, but nothing was biting. I hope to change that this weekend.
when you get 'em in close, they'll get blinded & freak...
A CUDA MAY LAUNCH AT YOUR CROTCH, MAN!!! :o
better wait for a little dull-grey oxidation, or a cloudy day
That does look very cool. Not sure if I would do the work but that is one sweet looking reel !!
Cheers:
Todd
There's some kinda special coating that M. G. used to put on the inside of the gearbox. Kind of a light orangish-yellow color. I had it in a Saltwater 302, and I just saw what I think is the same stuff in a DAM 330 Finessa. It was on the inside of the cover plate. Mighta been all over the inside, but covered with that black paint.
Wish I knew what it was, and how ta get some.
Festus pointed that out to me and, if I recall, there's info. on the Mitchell Muesuem website.
Quote from: Gfish on October 22, 2020, 10:09:09 PM
There's some kinda special coating that M. G. used to put on the inside of the gearbox. Kind of a light orangish-yellow color. I had it in a Saltwater 302, and I just saw what I think is the same stuff in a DAM 330 Finessa. It was on the inside of the cover plate. Mighta been all over the inside, but covered with that black paint.
Wish I knew what it was, and how ta get some.
Festus pointed that out to me and, if I recall, there's info. on the Mitchell Muesuem website.
Gfish, back in the day on high performance engine rebuilds we used to use a product called Glyptol to paint the inside of engine blocks - the whole idea being to create a smooth durable surface inside the engine that would allow the oil to drain back quicker into the sump. Now that wouldn't be an issue with reel internals, but it would certainly seal and protect the metal on the interior I would think.
Greg, search "yellow zinc plating" and see if it looks familiar. I'm not sure but think that on bare aluminum you have to first apply zinc plating and then add the chromate that prevents the zinc from corroding.
-steve
Quote from: philaroman on October 22, 2020, 09:01:21 PM
when you get 'em in close, they'll get blinded & freak...
A CUDA MAY LAUNCH AT YOUR CROTCH, MAN!!! :o
better wait for a little dull-grey oxidation, or a cloudy day
Legit concern. My wife would finally be justified in complaining about all the effort I out into this. Speaking of which...
Quote from: Hardy Boy on October 22, 2020, 09:20:29 PM
That does look very cool. Not sure if I would do the work but that is one sweet looking reel !!
Cheers:
Todd
Would you be surprised to know I had absolutely no idea how much work I had signed up for? I actually commented that I expected to put 20 hours into this. Turned into more like 80 and counting. But there was definitely some learning involved. If i did a second one I suspect I could do it in 20.
Biggest difference: I'd use citristrip from the beginning so I can remove the paint with a toothbrush like i did on the inside, not the 80 grit sandpaper i started with on the outside like a moron. Probably some weight reduction though.
Also I keep hearing about "protectaclear" coating for polished aluminum. It's not crazy pricey so I may have to try it. Right now its carnauba wax on the outside and a penn grease paint job inside.
yayay!! what a tremenndous amount of work on that reel, I would said unique but there are some guys that have done the same with their reels, that doesnt take any merit away, looks pretty good.
seems that polishing the interior was more for the wow factor than for functional purposes, a good amout of yamaha marine grease and a quick check out every few months would have kept the intenal walls and parts in good shape, now with the crude raw aluminium you still have to do those quarterly check outs to search for green or brown oxidation.
if that was my reel I would take all the parts out again and clean the body with a good degreaser and take the reel to a car body shop for a good automotive clear coat job, it would be shiny in protected for some time, not sure how it would look in 2 or 3 years but mostly depends on the use you give to the reel but I would take the bet and do it anyway.
Quote from: steelfish on October 23, 2020, 05:20:19 PM
yayay!! what a tremenndous amount of work on that reel, I would said unique but there are some guys that have done the same with their reels, that doesnt take any merit away, looks pretty good.
seems that polishing the interior was more for the wow factor than for functional purposes, a good amout of yamaha marine grease and a quick check out every few months would have kept the intenal walls and parts in good shape, now with the crude raw aluminium you still have to do those quarterly check outs to search for green or brown oxidation.
if that was my reel I would take all the parts out again and clean the body with a good degreaser and take the reel to a car body shop for a good automotive clear coat job, it would be shiny in protected for some time, not sure how it would look in 2 or 3 years but mostly depends on the use you give to the reel but I would take the bet and do it anyway.
I would do the same getting clear coat on the outside. That is hours of hard work. There is no easy way to do it. I'll send you mine when your ready..!!
I did a 706 years ago. They are easier. Aircraft paint remover was used.
Keith
next time, just start w a 95 & sandblast down to 85 :D
The thing is I've done a lot of research on a clear cpat solution for this. Most clears don't stick to polished aluminum. It is, by definition a non varied surface. There's some stuff called protectaclear that claims to be designed for exactly such a task though. I may try that.
I'm actually somewhat open to the idea of taking commissions to do this. Not sure what would be a fair asking price though. (No I did not interpret that as an order being placed I'm just talking about the concept)
Jason - I know that it is not uncommon in my industry that many highly polished Copper surfaces are coated, and I believe it is with a urethane based clear. It's somewhat of a double edged sword. If you walk into enough brewpubs, you will see uncoated copper where if they don't hire a full time guy just to polish it, it quickly oxidizes. Or in the case of coated systems (we have a few of those in my company) the problem is if you get any splash from the chemicals used to traditionally clean brewing equipment - it eats up the coating and now you have shiny protected copper with spots, splash marks, etc, that oxidize and look like crap. But with a fishing reel I "hope" you are not going to be subjecting it to strong caustics and acids, or abrasives for cleaning, so possible a urethane type coating would be your solution? Beautiful reel however. - john