I respooled my spheros last night and was surprised to see a top heavy cone. Its a new spool of the same line i took off it (30# SSV2) and that wasnt a problem before. I mean I'm not sure its a problem now either but definitely a surprise. What might have changed?
You just need to add the spool adjustment washers that go on top of the spool shaft. On top of the metal ratchet.
should be 3 -- top one likes to stick to the spool & do a "delayed slide-off"
also, ratchet may have flat side & "less flat" side -- flipping it may make tiny difference
I'm just confused because unlike my penns I don't really open this one up. In fact the only time to my knowledge that the spool has come off was when I had someone else install the ceramic bearings and give it a good lube down. But that was months ago and it's been spooling just fine since then. But I doubt the answer is gremlins so I guess I'll count washers when I get home.
maybe, spool shaft / oscillation block connection getting loose and/or worn
I'm sure you probably already thought of this, but how was your tension control spooling the reel up this time versus the previous time? Did you do something different there, since so much of spool loading is related to line tension. - john
It appears to be missing washers. Philaroman says it should have 3. The diagram confirms this. When I looked I saw... Zero.
Having had some time to think about this my logical conclusion is they've been missing since the bearings went in but I haven't spooled out and reel back in enough line really notice it.
So I'm gonna go take it back to the place that did the bearings and maybe do a bit of complaining. Not my style normally but I guess that's my most logical option.
I looked at the diagram for my old 3000FA but irs a different part #. I may pull it anyway and take a look, shimano is known for keeping a part but changing the number.
The number of spool adjustment washers will change from reel to reel. There is no set standard of washers. Penn calls them Thrust washers. I bet the Spheros is still super smooth.
;D Get you some scissors and cut some washers from the plastic containers in the recycle bin . About .025 -.030 should get you in the ball park.
just call the culprits... #### by phone...
demand 3 standard 4000-size genuine Shimano (keyed to shaft / stay in place better)
BY FIRST CLASS MAIL -- better,faster,cheaper for everybody
otherwise, anything correct thickness, durable & slightly compressible will work
you're just positioning the spool
VERY BAD tiny POSSIBILITY: they forgot a washer under the rotor &
had to intentionally eliminate spool washers to avoid HUGE cone-down
So I looked late last night when I was a bit buzzed. There are in fact 2 washers in place. I can likely track down one more. Plus the place is local. I can just stop by.
But there is also a bit of vertical play in the spool shaft which likely doesn't help. I just don't wanna wait 2 weeks for them to get to it. What would I be looking for internally to tighten or shim to address that?
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on December 12, 2020, 07:39:13 PM
So I looked late last night when I was a bit buzzed. There are in fact 2 washers in place. I can likely track down one more. Plus the place is local. I can just stop by.
But there is also a bit of vertical play in the spool shaft which likely doesn't help. I just don't wanna wait 2 weeks for them to get to it. What would I be looking for internally to tighten or shim to address that?
They always have a little play. It's very easy to take a look inside to see if the spool shaft screw has loosened. This reel doesn't have a worm gear like other Shimano spinners. It's the same old locomotive style gearing system like your Penn reels.
If you can post a picture of your line lay washers I have plenty.
Keith
if you're doing a walk-in, anyway see if they have Okuma stainless washers (for DFD reels w/ no ratchet on shaft)
same(better!) keyed ID / close-enough OD & thickness to Shimano adjustment washers
I put that on shaft, first, so ratchet isn't [as] structural & I can play around w/ ratchet thickness & position
not a game changer -- just some cute little options: get different drag sound, shave a half-gram, etc.
oh, like Keith said, little play is normal & no concern
but DO try to get a feel for what's normal for THAT reel & catch any noticeable changes ASAP
If someone were to ask me what my greatest fear in messing with this is, it would be that I'd take it apart, something would go wrong, I'd have no idea what it is, and would now have a non functional reel.
And that's exactly what happened.
Definitely not locomotive oscillation. Definitely worm. And i have no idea what's going on but now it doesnt oscillate at all. With every bit as much play as before. Actually more.
Update: did what I do best. Figured it out. And I'm actually kinda glad because ive been scared of that reel, now less so.
What happened: The oscillating pawl had been pulled off the track. Didn't fix the vertical play but maybe its always been like that? Maybe I'm only now realizing it. It moves up and down by about 1mm which seems like a lot.
sorry, I believe the correct technical term is "YUCK!!!"
horrible design retains/magnifies all the hassles of a real worm, while losing the one big advantage: PRECISION
older worms/blocks sat/rode in a "cage" of 3 SS... freakin' pillars, compared to 1 dinky post in new faux-worm
conversely, 1 thicker helical gear connected worm to pinion, compared a chain of 3 transfers: dinkier helical-plain-plain, all plastic
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on December 13, 2020, 05:57:00 AM
Update: did what I do best. Figured it out. And I'm actually kinda glad because ive been scared of that reel, now less so.
What happened: The oscillating pawl had been pulled off the track. Didn't fix the vertical play but maybe its always been like that? Maybe I'm only now realizing it. It moves up and down by about 1mm which seems like a lot.
pawl is not perfectly rigid & much skinnier than groves it rides in -- easily accounts for 1+ mm
I gotta say though, i liked this a lot more before I learned it has plastic internals.
actually, good nylon is fine for me THERE -- no stress / no wear
I see no functional difference between identical/interchangeable Stradic nylon & Sustain alloy
but that's ONE bigger gear keyed to worm & helically mated to pinion & WELL-SUPPORTED/ALLIGNED!
this new stuff is steel conservation via mechanism downgrade
I apologize for misleading you concerning the gearing system. I get reels mixed up. Don't worry about the plastic gear they last last a very long time. I used to do 1,000 reels a year but have retired by only doing a few a week. I have never seen the plastic gear broken. Only on the newer Stradic K series Ive seen the plastic gears broken.
The little pawl is not supposed to be rigid. It moves on a plastic bushing so it stays in contact with the worm gear. The Stella reels use a tiny bearing for the pawl to ride on.
Quote from: handi2 on December 13, 2020, 05:07:30 PM
I apologize for misleading you concerning the gearing system. I get reels mixed up. Don't worry about the plastic gear they last last a very long time. I used to do 1,000 reels a year but have retired by only doing a few a week. I have never seen the plastic gear broken. Only on the newer Stradic K series Ive seen the plastic gears broken.
The little pawl is not supposed to be rigid. It moves on a plastic bushing so it stays in contact with the worm gear. The Stella reels use a tiny bearing for the pawl to ride on.
No harm no foul. I looked at the diagram before going in and knew it was a worm. I just did it anyway for the learning experience. Just had a bit of a scare there for about an hour and a half. Fished it today, all is well. Added a (random metal) washer between the 2 stock ones and line seems to be spooling correctly I just need to take it all off and spin it back on again.