I just bought a newer Penn Long Beach 60 (paddle type handle knob). The reel looks great. Shiny, no-corrosion chrome and no signs of abuse. My problem is the reel lopes when it is turned. It shows resistance once per spool revolution. When the spool tail-plate bearing cap is loosened it only Lopes when it is turned with handle side up. When it is turned tail-plate side up it spins just like new. When I tighten the the bearing the bearing cap to 1/16" axial play, it lopes in any position. I tried a different bearing cap, no change. I visually inspected the gears and they look like new. ANY IDEAS????
How about the handle side bushing ?
Cool
Loose or tight, no difference.
So the different bearing cap you changed was on the non-handle side ? If you have an extra handle side bushing cap you might want to swap it out to see if that helps...
Cool
I suspected the shaft spindle might be bent. I chucked it in a drill and it wobbled about like all penn spools. I then put the spool in another 60 and it worked fine. I put the spool from my donor reel and put it in my problem reel. Both work fine!!! No idea what the problem was. I had only removed the tail-plates for the swap out. Who knows?
If you screw in the non handle side bushing too far before reassembling the reel, the spool may not have seated properly within the spring and bushing.
I screw that bushing in about half way and then tilt the reel so the spool is seated properly on the pinion, then I screw that bushing in.
Guess who taught me that? ....SAL!
Happy you're all set, just pay attention to that next time, Wayne.
Enjoy your reel.
Best,
Dom
Thanks Dom!
which ever side of the spool has the hop or rub, try replacing the bushing on that side first. hopefully this will be a cheap and easy fix. if that still does not work, then it might be the spool. hopefully replacing the bushing will fix the problem. :-\
Thanks, Alan.
I have had this happen too. I've taken a part from a reel thinking it was bad, and have it work fine in another reel. This is why a Penn part has to be obviously trashed before I will toss it. Bushings...for sure...do not play by the rules. 8)
Rather than trying to fix the good reel, I'll do my best to "break" the good one, switching out parts one at a time from the problem reel to the good one to isolate the problem. Seems like your spool is okay. Once it was just equalizing the bridge bolt torques.
I'm sorry for my ignorance. What is lopes?
Sorry, maybe my ignorance. I used the word lope to mean the reel experiences a spot during spool rotation where the handle experiences a higher resistance.
Quote from: Cuttyhunker on January 10, 2021, 04:42:30 PMOnce it was just equalizing the bridge bolt torques.
I am not sure what you mean. How would the torque on the bridge bolts affect the rotation of the spool?
Check the screws that hold the frame together, if the frame isn't square that could cause your problem
Had the same problem on an old 149 that I was making fishable again for a charter outfit, yesterday.
This reel blew out the old head plate a couple of weeks ago — while I was buttoning it up after replacing the rusted posts, pitted crank, the tail plate, new CF's, new SS drag washers, new under gear washer.
Now, after replacing the head plate also — figured I was home free. Wrong...
There was a hesitation at exactly (1) rotation of the crank.
There are many possible fixes for this — depending on the issue.
Back off the bridge screws — then carefully snug them up.
Back off all frame screws 1/8 turn — then twist the reel with both hands to try and align the frame — re-snug.
Shave the inner race of a ring.
Shave the outer edge of the spool.
Drop a 1/16" ball spacer in the hesitation side bearing (bushings).
Disassemble and reassemble — paying attention to a "cross star pattern" tightening of the screws — not overly tight.
Was tired of working on it — and rather than start on these other more obscure remedies — just set it to the side for a day.
After working on other reels yesterday — just decided to try and replace the head plate bushing with a better used one. Part#26-60. 90 seconds later, no hesitation, no catch, no lope — 35 seconds of free spool with no line.
Again, good to remember that the most common cause — is the most common cause. Take the process of elimination in order — doing the most common and simplest things first.
Best, Fred
Interesting(to me, probably frustrating to you) problem. What part # is the bushing, I can check my stash.
Everything is connected in a reel, directly or indirectly. Bridge screws too loose or tight can affect the eccentric jack movement, which in turn can tweak the yolk, which might cause misalignment of the pinion, which could rub on the spool shaft.
In my minds eye if this were the case, a whole 360 degree rotation would be rougher than normal.
Yup, this is a good one. Kinda sounds like frame misalignment causing spool rub. But why with only one spool?
Have the same problem with a 130 Sailfisher. Never solved the issue. I simi-retired it as a line winding donner reel. Now I can try a new bushing, which never even occured to me!
Quote from: foakes on January 10, 2021, 07:16:13 PM
Again, good to remember that the most common cause — is the most common cause. Take the process of elimination in order — doing the most common and simplest things first.
Best, Fred
And here I thought a LB60 disassemble/assemble is simple! Great info in your post, Fred. Thanks
Quote from: Wayne B. on January 10, 2021, 05:52:31 PM
Sorry, maybe my ignorance. I used the word lope to mean the reel experiences a spot during spool rotation where the handle experiences a higher resistance.
Thank you Wayne. I did not want to ####-U-ME before understanding completely.
Obviously, others understood you so it was just my ignorance.
If you need a new spool, pm me. I have an aluminum one you can have, just pay shipping. I believe it's the same size as a 112H except for different spindle length.
Thanks for the offer Bryan, but I am in good shape now..
Actually Wayne it was a 150 that wasn't engaging from free spool when the eccentric lever was flipped, there are a myriad of things for a reel to be in sync, fortunately the design and engineering is so good on most we don't have to usually think about all those little things. I once picked up an Abu in an estate lot that was in permanent free spool, the guys here were more than helpful, I tore it down, saw nothing, did nothing, reassembled, and It's been perfect ever since. Not a clue why.