I have two Penn 650ss coffee grinders from the late 1980s. My question is what is the max drag that I can get out of them? And how does one go about upgrading the drags on them?
Mike
Upgrading drags are easy. Just remove the spring clip and replace felt with greased HT-100s. I cannot recally the size though.
the size you need is 6-155 and its two of them per reel.
Or you could replace all 3 with the 6-155 carbon fiber and use the 6-60 for under the spool, also carbon fiber with a touch of Cal's. It is also a good idea to replace the drag knob with the one that comes with the seal, part# 52N-650. believe it or not you could get close to 20lb with these reels, bottoned down all the way, but I would keep them under 15lb. An additional dog is also a good thing.
Sal knows.
"An additional dog is also a good thing." Forgive my ignorance, but what does this mean?
Quote from: spottybastard on January 03, 2012, 02:22:26 AM
"An additional dog is also a good thing." Forgive my ignorance, but what does this mean?
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/993d010c_vbattach444400.jpg)
Sometimes the dog will fail on a big fish, it's nice to have a buckup.
quick guess, maybe 5 pounds working, 8-10 pounds if you don't mind the reel blowing up in your hands. :-\
Mike, these are the reels that most of us use here in the NE. I've cought stripes up to 44lb with these reels, I have one posted here"my striper". The 650SS has all brass gears, non of that cast aluminum crap of today's models...hold on to it. I personally believe that your reel can be pushed to 15lb with no problems. Sal
I was actually thinking of taking them on a two day tuna trip out of San Diego. The main reason is because I'm a crappy caster with a conventional. I've notice that a Jigmaster is only rated to about 13 or 15#s, and are pretty standard for a short range tuna trip and my 650s are a log easier to cast.
i tried a spinner on a 7 day trip and failed miserably........
Mike, although those 650ss are nice reels, I believe that they're not big enough to play with the big boys. Don't misunderstand my previous comment, if that reel needed to be pushed to its limits, it would stand up to the test. I heard of 100lb fish being cought on the 650ss in the past. Those reels would be happy fished at around 10lb. I usually don't do this, but let me know if you want me to put together a spinner that would stop 100lb tuna on its track. I could customize a Penn 9500SS with two dogs, power handle knob and a bailess kit, so you won't have to worry about bending the bail on the boat. If you go with a used but in good shape reel I could probably do it for around $200. Just let me know. Sal
Maybe I'll get a Penn Battle or a Diawa Emblem® Pro-A
G'day Sal, would you recommend the manual bail kit (ie https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/69-9500.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/69-9500.aspx)) for my upgraded 9500SS (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3074.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3074.0))?
Seems like the last potential upgrade (I've since added the original gears - cheers Tom) and I haven't come across these before...
Cheers, Justin
PS I'm usually bouncing 300-400 gram knife jigs for kingfish with this set up.
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Justin, it's really up to you. Some like the kit and some don't, I happen to like it, but it takes a little of getting used to. If you do a lot of casting and have lost some nice jigs in the past from the bail snapping on you, go for it. If you don't have it, you can't bend it ;). Sal
Cheers mate - appreciate the input.
Quote from: spottybastard on January 19, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Maybe I'll get a Penn Battle or a Diawa Emblem® Pro-A
Mike, I'm the wrong person for you to be comparing those two reels with the Penn SS series.
Good luck to you. Sal
Quote from: redsetta on January 19, 2012, 08:31:02 PM
G'day Sal, would you recommend the manual bail kit (ie https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/69-9500.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/69-9500.aspx)) for my upgraded 9500SS (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3074.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3074.0))?
Seems like the last potential upgrade (I've since added the original gears - cheers Tom) and I haven't come across these before...
Cheers, Justin
PS I'm usually bouncing 300-400 gram knife jigs for kingfish with this set up.
Hi Justin,
Pleased that the gears fitted. May be another 4/5 sets available soon. Will let you know if and when they reach the UK.
Cheers, Tom.
Tom, if you're talking brass gears for the 9500SS would you mind sharing some information?
Well Sal I'm afraid I will have to speak to Justin first as his name is top of the list ;)
You have PM.
Team,
I just bought this Penn 650SS from a guy on Craigslist for next to nothing! Is this rubber deal that my key is touching meant to be there? I don't see it on the schematic at all. I don't see it on the pic that Alto posted of the double dog setup on this same thread either.
(http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab308/herperdan/IMG_0875.jpg) (http://s874.photobucket.com/user/herperdan/media/IMG_0875.jpg.html)
Are the parts mentioned below pretty much all I would "really" need to upgrade the drag on this reel if coupled with the later drag knob?
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/52N-650N.aspx
(https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/52N-650N.aspx)
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 31, 2011, 10:20:32 PM
Or you could replace all 3 with the 6-155 carbon fiber and use the 6-60 for under the spool, also carbon fiber with a touch of Cal's. It is also a good idea to replace the drag knob with the one that comes with the seal, part# 52N-650. believe it or not you could get close to 20lb with these reels, bottoned down all the way, but I would keep them under 15lb. An additional dog is also a good thing.
Regards,
Danny
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Danny, yes I've seen that rubber on a key before, it's there so you could turn the key while starting a car with less effort ;) ;D.
I have never seen two thrust washers there, the owner that fished with it probably wasn't getting the line to lay flat on the spool.
Check the bottom of the spool for any wear. I do see a nick on the spool lip, from your pic. If any nicks are at the edge, they should be sanded down smooth or your line will get cut, you could coat it with nail polish afterwards.
If it's really bad, time for a new spool.
As for the upgrades, there have been a few things we've being trying, this on page 2 is the latest and to me, the best so far:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12413.msg122229#msg122229
I almost forgot, you have the option of replacing the dogs with stainless steel dogs and ratchets, the ratchets are available with more teeth, this helps with handle back play .
Those are available from a couple of guys here, Lee ( Keta) and Adam (Three7vens). Lee has stainless steel, Adam has Titanium...good luck!
Sal
Sal,
Thanks! U da man!
You guys really know these reels inside out and
without your knowledge would leave us in the learning
so to speak with a lot of guessing to do, i would like
to repay with gratitude in return.
Believe it or not all ss reels 6500ss,7500ss, 650ss, 750ss etc etc
all have a faultless bail arm system, hmm im all ears you say,
well while out casting with my 6500ss reel (162 yards 5oz lead, measured)
the bail arm didn't move let alone close after the cast, time and time
again, cast after cast after cast no movement period, same on
my 2 x 750ss reels and my 850ss reels, i will explain.
Whether you use a weight, plug etc whatever it does not matter.
And you also will cast further (trust me) with that plug or weight.
1. The cast. Anglers just cast reel in, off the bail arm cast
and also thrash the rod downwards. both will close the bail arm
on there own don't mind together, so what am i (you) doing wrong.
The answer is very simple and you will never move the bail arm
let alone close it, that is with a bail arm that is as standard and
on right on the reel, with that in mind here is the answer.
2. (Part 1) Next time you cast and every cast after that you know
the way when you turn the handle the spool goes up and
then it goes down, well cast with the reel in the DOWN position only,
1 or 2 mil up is ok BUT no further, think about it, also part 2.
(Part 2) Finger on line, open bail arm and only have an inch or so of play
(you will feel this, in it can't go away from you any further)
between that wee nipple on the reel foot shaft that closes the bail arm
if you reel in freely after you cast, i forget what is called.
Now try it, also lengthen you drop a bit and punch and pull
your plug or weight, you will not move the bail arm let alone
close it and you WILL cast your lure, plug, lead weight a lot
further with this in mind, i have casted over 100 casts with
all 4 reels mentioned with the above in mind on every cast
and no movement period on the bail arm.
Hope this helps, no need to cut it off :o
2.