Here,s a blip I copied to show us, the public, how we can be misled in many ways. ;)
"Almost everything written about rod spine in the past 30 years has been a myth. Not once has anyone offered evidence that the spine is at all important. And the laws of physics rule that it is not. At least not as important as the torque created by the lever arm effect of the guides."
"What you do with a spine finder in no way approximates what will happen when casting or fighting a fish. In both those instances, the rod is loaded by a line pulling through the guides"
"One thing to keep in mind about the rod spine thing, is that those folks who once said spine was so important never offered any evidence or proof that it was - they just said it was and a lot of folks believed it. Nowadays, they ask those of us who have said all along that it's highly overrated to offer proof of our viewpoint. Well, I'm still waiting for them to prove theirs - they never did and still haven't. It was always a myth. Nothing wrong with spining your rods, but you cannot make a rod stable or make it cast more accurately by doing so."
"The earliest books on rod building also mentioned spine, and all stated flatly that it was of no consequence in rod building. It's not an important aspect of rod building and only became thought of as being so in the mid to late 1970's. But every author that thought it important never stopped to consider that when we fight a fish, we do it with a line that is pulling through a series of guides on the rods. And not a single one of those authors ever bothered to string up a rod with guides, and then load the blank that way. They just flexed or loaded the blank by hand - something which a fish does not do. When we fish, the rod is loaded by means of a line pulling through guides, or small lever arms, if you prefer. And that's exactly why the major argument for any particular orientation of rod spine - that of using it to create a stable rod, is completely flawed."
I know this may be a controversial topic, butt its good to stimulate the mind during the lockdown blews. gst.
NOTE; this is a copy from a publication. My Disclaimer gst. ;)
I figure when a builder build a rod based on the straightest axis is when he is working on a crooked blank. If the blank is straight all axis are straight. Is there a need to determine the straightest axis?
If a crooked blank was not built on the straightest axis then it will be very obvious to the eye when the rod is completed.
There is such a thing known as a spine. Remember how a blank is built?
Flags of graphite "cloth" are cut and the wrapped onto the mandral. The axis which has got the most overlaps will be the strongest/stable under load.
If there is no spine then how come the blanks will tend to rotate back to one or two fixed positions everytime? (Procedure of determining spine)
Rod twist is created by the torque of the guides on top. Next time relax your hands (that's what I was trying to say) when you land a big fish on an overhead and see what happen. Have you ever felt the rod twisting on a spin set-up?
I agree no doubts abt that but I never felt it twisting with a splined OH outfit.
"Almost everything written about rod spine in the past 30 years has been a myth. Not once has anyone offered evidence that the spine is at all important. And the laws of physics rule that it is not. At least not as important as the torque created by the lever arm effect of the guides."
I totally agree to the law of physics but that does not mean that there is no such thing as spine or splining is redundant. However it only proves that guides under the blank will not have the torque effect on a spiral wrapped rod. Therefore eliminating rod twist.
"What you do with a spine finder in no way approximates what will happen when casting or fighting a fish. In both those instances, the rod is loaded by a line pulling through the guides"
Why not? As quoted rod is bent by a line pulling thru the guides? under such circumstances the blank will rotate back to it most stable position. Remember procedure of determining the spine?
Why spinning and spital wrapped rods will not twist is due to the law of physics again.
( guides under blank)
"One thing to keep in mind about the rod spine thing, is that those folks who once said spine was so important never offered any evidence or proof that it was - they just said it was and a lot of folks believed it. Nowadays, they ask those of us who have said all along that it's highly overrated to offer proof of our viewpoint. Well, I'm still waiting for them to prove theirs - they never did and still haven't. It was always a myth. Nothing wrong with spining your rods, but you cannot make a rod stable or make it cast more accurately by doing so."
"The earliest books on rod building also mentioned spine, and all stated flatly that it was of no consequence in rod building. It's not an important aspect of rod building and only became thought of as being so in the mid to late 1970's. But every author that thought it important never stopped to consider that when we fight a fish, we do it with a line that is pulling through a series of guides on the rods. And not a single one of those authors ever bothered to string up a rod with guides, and then load the blank that way. They just flexed or loaded the blank by hand - something which a fish does not do. When we fish, the rod is loaded by means of a line pulling through guides, or small lever arms, if you prefer. And that's exactly why the major argument for any particular orientation of rod spine - that of using it to create a stable rod, is completely flawed."
All comments welcome. :-*
That's very thought provoking Gary and it makes perfect sense. Come to think of it, it is easy to find the spine on a rod blank. But, can you find the spine on a blank that has been built into the rod? Will the spine be in the same place if the guides and handle are stripped away? Great post.
Quote from: gstours on March 18, 2021, 03:23:53 PM
Here,s a blip I copied to show us, the public, how we can be misled in many ways. ;)
"Almost everything written about rod spine in the past 30 years has been a myth.
It would have been good to display your source. ..... ::)
https://www.rodbuilding.org/library/blankstrength.pdf
This article is from Rod Maker magazine and although it may seem negligible, it says after testing using the spine location added 6% greater deadlift strength before breaking. It states they use the spine location to find the thickest wall of the blank to build off of, giving it more strength.
6% may not seem like much, but it might be the difference between success and humiliating failure at the hands of a rod breaking deep sea beast.
This is a very cool / thought provoking statement & question. Far more so than some realize. Including the makers of blanks here in the U.S.
My ideas after testing & building a few rods does not agree with conventional wisdom in this regard, in some ways. However I will have to reply at a later time. Because I only have 2 days off to build the rods that need to get off my bench soon... Jeff
If you roll a blank on something flat like you would a pool cue to see if it's strait you'd find almost all have a slight curve or bend. That should be the spine with any luck. If you don't wrap on that curve the rod won't look right, either the guides aren't centered on the blank so they appear strait or they follow the curve and look crooked. To me anyway I wrap a rod following that curve. I pretty much wrap all calstars and seekers which are pretty thick blanks, I don't know if all thin fresh water blanks are like that but the ones I've done had some kind of curve.
Do you put the guides on the inside or outside of the curve? Just curious, I've not built any rods.
Kal
Quote from: Swami805 on March 19, 2021, 01:12:06 AM
If you roll a blank on something flat like you would a pool cue to see if it's strait you'd find almost all have a slight curve or bend. That should be the spine with any luck. If you don't wrap on that curve the rod won't look right, either the guides aren't centered on the blank so they appear strait or they follow the curve and look crooked. To me anyway I wrap a rod following that curve. I pretty much wrap all calstars and seekers which are pretty thick blanks, I don't know if all thin fresh water blanks are like that but the ones I've done had some kind of curve.
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We recently had a thread on a topic that touched on this, re acid rods.
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=22222.msg385273#msg385273
I have very seldom been aware of the effect of the spline on a rod or then the twisting it is supposed to cause. I have used the spline to determine if I want to cast or pull fish with the stronger side which on a conventional rod are on the opposite side of the rod.
On very strong rods I have noticed a twisting with a bent blank. If I remember correctly the bend had been to either the right or left.
Just a final point, using the technique of rolling the tip of the blank on the floor it is not always easy to find the precise location of the spline as it often has two points where it jumps to. I then try to find the softest side, but how come we have two spots?
Quote from: kjdunne on March 19, 2021, 01:21:27 AM
Do you put the guides on the inside or outside of the curve? Just curious, I've not built any rods.
Kal
The theory is that the rod will "roll" to get the spine in line with the load, so depends on whether it is bound for overhead or underslung reels. It might have a slight twist in the hands as it aligns itself under load. How much it matters, IDK, but I always find the spine and bind the guides along it (for the very few rods I have built!)
cheers
Steve
Doh!, beaten to the post again!! :o
Quote from: Cor on March 19, 2021, 04:28:40 AM
We recently had a thread on a topic that touched on this, re acid rods.
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=22222.msg385273#msg385273
I have very seldom been aware of the effect of the spline on a rod or then the twisting it is supposed to cause. I have used the spline to determine if I want to cast or pull fish with the stronger side which on a conventional rod are on the opposite side of the rod.
On very strong rods I have noticed a twisting with a bent blank. If I remember correctly the bend had been to either the right or left.
Just a final point, using the technique of rolling the tip of the blank on the floor it is not always easy to find the precise location of the spline as it often has two points where it jumps to. I then try to find the softest side, but how come we have two spots?
I have seen a technique where you hold the tip under your palm and support the blank on your palm (above half way, closer to the tip). As you roll the blank across your palms you will see the butt drop towards the floor at some point and show you where the soft side of the spine is. Sometimes you might see two dips depending on how the blank was built and where you support it.
I don't know my earhole from my elbow when it comes to the technical aspects of rodbuilding, but I do know that Swami805 builds the finest rods that I have ever seen, and has built more of them than anyone else that I know. If he expresses an opinion on the subject, it is based upon extensive experience, and you can take it to the bank.
I've read a lot of words and discussed the wisdom of the topic of spines in blanks, including those of professional blank builders, some of those opinions reflect this idea that the spine is not as influential as proposed, others more engineering orientated.
The first thing that I would disagree with in the opinion offered, is that the writer hasn't disproved the spine argument, just over-ridden it with another one. Not a deal breaker in itself, but just to highlight a line of logic.
I freely admit that I tend to base a lot of my opinions on the fact that we build a lot of long surf rods, be they 1 piece or multi-section, and this might be a clue as to why I stand by my opinion. A long rod will highlight or exaggerate all the attributes of a rod/blank, be they negative or positive, especially when compared to shorter rods/blanks to the analysis.
I use a lot of blanks built by some very specialist manufacturers, and pretty much in all cases, on unground blanks I can actually see the line of the overlap, which in most cases is very straight, and the whole purpose of precision cutting of the flags of carbon. This is not the case with a lot of mass produced items, where the overlap may spiral around the blank and sometimes worse. The point here is that to get the flag cut precisely to give that straight line is the theoretical optimum to achieve the original design. This will by virtue of the '+1 wrap' situation offer a section of the blank that is proportionally stronger than the rest of the circumference, this then leads to the spine.
This '+1 wrap' aspect can be very significant, on a 10 wrap blank, it could represent a 10% increase in strength across that zone, while on a thicker 20 wrap blank it would only represent 5% increase in strength. A reason why it is so easy to detect the spine on most blanks.
Building and using the blank with the spine in any position other than 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock, is also going to introduce a varying degree of torque in just the blank alone, as all these engineering aspects are judged from the center point of the hollow of the blank.
A point here is that any hypothesis needs to work and be applicable in all situations, whether on a spinning design or a casting design; otherwise the hypothesis fails.
Onwards to the next stage of the hypothetical rod construction, and the introduction of guides, and any proofs about torque need to work with all situations, casting standard guides, high leg guides and micro guides, as well as all the same situations for a spinning rod. And it is here that the 'proof' that guides induced torque fails, for in all spinning rod the rod is used critically in both the 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock positions during casting and despite in many cases high/tall guides being used there is no evidence of torque induced by the guides having any effect – unless te rod has been built 'off spine'.
The anomaly that has been cited is using the rotational effect of combined guides and reel operations on a casting style rod against load, to attribute the effect of torque, but this only occurs when reeling under load, so how much of this effect is due to the operational loads of the reel? And, perhaps not the guides alone? An example to slightly dispel the 'guides only' torque, is to be found in Interline rod designs, especially when used in a casting format – the rotational force is there as well – perhaps the reel under load is the key here.
So, in conclusion I would suggest that there is great importance to using the spine of the rod in either of the desired positions 12 o'clock or 6 o'clock, though either are not specific to only spinning or casting designs. Guide designs whether tall or low will have a small effect on casting rod designs, but not to the exclusion of all other design considerations.
One final aspect, curved rod blanks, these are basically defective, and any rules pertaining to them is a mis-direction, and only serve to cover up the problems associated with defective manufacture.
The above is only my opinion, however based on years of build rods, though the last 20 on predominantly long surf rods, and 30+ years as an engineer, looking very critically at angling designs, and 60+ years as an angler.
Quote from: Cor on March 19, 2021, 04:28:40 AM
We recently had a thread on a topic that touched on this, re acid rods.
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=22222.msg385273#msg385273
I have very seldom been aware of the effect of the spline on a rod or then the twisting it is supposed to cause. I have used the spline to determine if I want to cast or pull fish with the stronger side which on a conventional rod are on the opposite side of the rod.
On very strong rods I have noticed a twisting with a bent blank. If I remember correctly the bend had been to either the right or left.
Just a final point, using the technique of rolling the tip of the blank on the floor it is not always easy to find the precise location of the spline as it often has two points where it jumps to. I then try to find the softest side, but how come we have two spots?
The choosing of spine to determine priority for casting or pulling is perhaps the right analogy. I've used the softer aspect when building surf rods for ladies, making the rod easier to cast. A purely comfort issue.
Twisting under heavy loads can be an aspect of which way the rod blank was rolled initially, though ir is only a very small influence. We did find this as an aspect when looking at Acid Wrapped surf rods, some blank manufacturers wrap the carbon in one direction, while other the opposite.
'Double Spines', I have found on some cheaper blanks, where possibly flag cutting and wrapping hasn't been as good as it could be, thus resulting in a near spiral of the overlap.
Aside from any theory, my only comment is that I have had rods built with the spline one way and others with the spline in the opposite side. I know which side I prefer because I can definitely feel the difference in my hands as the rod tends to turn when the spline is the "wrong" way.
Quote from: Jeri on March 19, 2021, 06:48:30 AM
Quote from: Cor on March 19, 2021, 04:28:40 AM
We recently had a thread on a topic that touched on this, re acid rods.
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=22222.msg385273#msg385273
I have very seldom been aware of the effect of the spline on a rod or then the twisting it is supposed to cause. I have used the spline to determine if I want to cast or pull fish with the stronger side which on a conventional rod are on the opposite side of the rod.
On very strong rods I have noticed a twisting with a bent blank. If I remember correctly the bend had been to either the right or left.
Just a final point, using the technique of rolling the tip of the blank on the floor it is not always easy to find the precise location of the spline as it often has two points where it jumps to. I then try to find the softest side, but how come we have two spots?
The choosing of spine to determine priority for casting or pulling is perhaps the right analogy. I've used the softer aspect when building surf rods for ladies, making the rod easier to cast. A purely comfort issue. .........
When I started Yellowtail fishing the standard rod was in the region of 10 to 11 ft and "as strong as you could cast" The manne (Men) would pull a yellowtail on top of the water sometime with locked drag 60 lb line and not let it get its head down (Obviously not the NZ size)
Unfortunately in my case that was a long time ago and I now have to use weaker and easier rods to cast with, but pulling a fish I can still handle a strong rod as that only happens every now and then.
This is where I started to build my rods to cast with the weaker side and pull fish with the stronger, ie. using the spine to my advantage, same principle as Jeri says. I would not be unhappy if there could be a bigger difference between the sides, though it may result in other issues. If my rod building friends were still in business I would ask them if they could make a blank like that. ::)
In my game it is more then simply a comfort issue as I now manage to fish max 2/7 days a week with difficulty, whereas 7/7 days was not unheard of 15 years ago.
Wow, thank you Jeri & Makule for saving me a bunch of typing! 8)
I always find it comical when someone says a certain faction is BS but provide no factual evidence that their opinion isn't just hypothetical BS, too. :D
I'm still very much a novice when it comes to rod building. But I am not a novice when it comes to experience using cheap rods. So I've fished a lot of rods built off spine, and only a few built on spine. And to be clear my experience is 100% spinning. Ive never used a conventional. But it's been my experience that rods built off spine consistently cast off to that side. If the force required to bend an object varies by angle, logic says one should consider that angle when building something where bending is important. Could a curve to the rod make building on spine look funny? Sure. Could looking funny be a big deal to some paying customers, more so than actual performance? Absolutely. And if you do this for a living, of course happy customers are more important than pure performance. But i disagree with the notion that this means consideration of the spine's relative position is unimportant for discussion of pure performance. And I think that distinction needs to be made when discussing this topic.
I just struggle to understand how something so readily noticed if one bends and twists a blank is somehow completely irrelevant to the final performance of the built rod.
There may be types of fishing where a spine is less important (for example if you're using a short and heavy rod, dropping live bait down on a reef and never casting, etc.) But in general i find most blanket statements about tackle (_____ never matters, or ______ always matters, etc.) inaccurate, and generally a reflection of people overestimating the conclusiveness and applicability of their own experiences.
Just my 2c
Quote from: Midway Tommy on March 19, 2021, 04:09:58 PM
I always find it comical when someone says a certain faction is BS but provide no factual evidence that their opinion isn't just hypothetical BS, too. :D
Yeah. The first argument was basically "They keep telling me the earth is not flat, but they haven't proven the earth is round to my satisfaction, therefore the earth is flat". That kind of reasoning would probably get you tossed off the high school debate team.
And the Rodmaker article made me laugh. They broke 50 brand new blanks to "prove" that when you apply load to one end of a flexible tube, it will be strongest when the load is aligned to the side where the wall is thickest.
Jeri and Jason have some good points. I would add that fly rods are cast back and forth, so there is a theory that the guides should go on the soft side of the spine to stiffen it. This might make the power of the rod closer to the same on the forward and back stroke.
-J
I find that a lot of perceived wisdom that gets published is to cater for a series of 'rules', that become urban legend and set in stone, And any challenge to that way is often considered too radical, and must be wrong.
I'm in perhaps the fortunate position, that I can build on blanks, and experiment with various designs on rods, without penalty - apart from the obvious costs. I can try new ideas, or ideas contrary to common thinking and test to see just what the results are of that change. This leads me to continually look at options to improve, and challenge the norms. We found this with a recent change to our surf fishing, when we went over to using spinning reels with braid, and through deliberate work found a guide system that turns the public perception totally on its head. One client came to see my wife at the end of a competition - I was at home with a broken hip. He was resolute in what he wanted, but my wife offered to let him try our latest incarnation, which was a 14'-6" rod casting 5oz and bait. His immediate comment was that the guides were too small, and would be ripped off by the braid to braid leader knot- they were small, just size 6. She effectively challenged his casting abilities and he tried the rod down on the beach, with a big crowd of his buddies in tow. She gave him permission to cast as hard as he could, and no penalty for any damage.
He wound up into a huge cast, and away it went, and his mates just jeered that he had cast the sinker off or broken the leader. Then he looked down at the reel, and line was still flying off - attached still to the sinker!!! 6-7 seconds later it finally landed in the sea, and was duly wound in, and he asked if he could cast it again, because he had never cast a sinker that far before. We did get the order for his new rod, but the challenge to his and his mates thinking, by a woman, was perhaps the ultimate problem, but the performance issue against the 'rules' that the angling public at large hold dear and set in stone is perhaps the biggest issue.
A typical example might be the significant lack of factory made and promoted spiral wrapped rods. It looks wrong, it can't possibly work, there is no way that is going to cast as efficiently as a 'normal' rod. Sir Issac Newton and Leonardo Ca Vinci had similar problems. ;)
Quote from: Jeri on March 20, 2021, 03:18:10 AM
spiral wrapped rods. It looks wrong, it can't possibly work, there is no way that is going to cast as efficiently as a 'normal' rod.
So Jeri, there is no loss of distance when a rod is spiral wrapped? That would be a game changer for me. I'm thinking it would eliminate some of the tip wrap problems.
Quote from: oc1 on March 20, 2021, 07:11:41 AM
Quote from: Jeri on March 20, 2021, 03:18:10 AM
spiral wrapped rods. It looks wrong, it can't possibly work, there is no way that is going to cast as efficiently as a 'normal' rod.
So Jeri, there is no loss of distance when a rod is spiral wrapped? That would be a game changer for me. I'm thinking it would eliminate some of the tip wrap problems.
A few years back, we looked at the issues associated with spiral wrapping, and the benefits and applied them to a series of surf rods. Being longer (14'), we could do the transition more slowly and found no significant loss in distance when compared to the same blank being built in a conventional manner. The benefits were immediately felt when hooking something heavy, even 15kgs of floating weed, near no torsional twist at the handle. Published our findings and results in a surf magazine, and despite the date being August, they thought it was an April Fool. Built several for clients, and they are all still impressed with the concept.
I pick a blank out of the pile to see if I could get a decent picture of what I was refer to. Bear in mind I pretty much only build 2 brand of blanks so others might be different. I put it on the lathe to check and the small dip was about 3/8" which doesn't sound like much but would be huge if the guides were not lined up on that axis. Built this is an expensive rod that I could never sell if it doesn't look straight
I got to thinking (probably just a brain fart :D) that the only way to truly identify the spline, or spine as most call it, on rod blanks by using the bent in the palm hand rotation method would be to somehow sand or grind the butt of the blank at the edge perfectly round around the outside circumference. That same concept would also apply to inside circumference when rotating on a conical object. It seems to me that there is no possible way to get a precise spline location when either of the circumferences used for rotation are oval or oblong, which is what happens when the material is lapped.
For a true fishing rod thats acid /spiral wrapped I agree with Jeri. I had 6 blanks from a well know builder. Three I wrapped conventional the other three I acid wrapped. Someone who can cast better than me might be able to see some difference in casting distance. My longest cast was with one of the acid wrapped rods.
However if you have ever hit a baseball & felt the feeling when you really connect or punched someone or something there is a point when one can feel the power being delivered properly.
During this testing I felt this on my longest cast. I happened to be using one of the acid wrapped rods when my timing & release & the sun & moon were smiling on me. I believe it would have been the same thing if I had been using one of the conventional wrapped rods. Absolutely no reason for the average fisherman or better than average caster to worry about casting distance between the two.
My personal thoughts are there is good reason for both of these styles of wrapping a rod. Those who knock the acid wrap, I believe have never used one. Or used a poorly wrapped one. Hard headed ideas are sometimes based on feelings & not facts... Jeff
Quote from: Midway Tommy on March 20, 2021, 08:25:44 PM
the only way to truly identify the spline, or spine as most call it, on rod blanks by using the bent in the palm hand rotation method would be to somehow sand or grind the butt of the blank at the edge perfectly round around the outside circumference. That same concept would also apply to inside circumference when rotating on a conical object. It seems to me that there is no possible way to get a precise spline location when either of the circumferences used for rotation are oval or oblong, which is what happens when the material is lapped.
Yeah, but Tommy, that assumes the overlap +1 spot is straight along the entire length of the rod. They can design the flags so that the final loose edge is straight along the length of the rod. But if the rolling process is the least bit off the spline would shift a lot. If the circumference of the tip is 5-6 millimeters, being a millimeter off in tacking the mandrel to the flag and another millimeter tensioning the platen would make the cut edge of the flag to spiral around the length of the blank.
I mess around with old tobacco rods from the 1950's. They may not be applicable since the whole blank making process has improved a lot since then. But on the tobacco rods the weave of the fabric is visible and you can see the +1 edge. It seldom/never forms a perfectly straight line from butt to tip. You still feel a spine using the regular technique for locating it. This makes me think that the line we call the spline may be just a path of least resistance.
Take a three- or four-piece blank, find and mark the spine on each section using the usual technique. Then put the rod together aligning each section and check the spine over the entire rod length. When I do that the spine of the whole blank is never exactly where I thought it would be based on the individual sections. The caveat here is that the spine I feel using the usual technique always seems a little bit vague. It's sort of right here but could be off a few degrees.in either direction.
In the factory, the sanding and finishing process covers up a lot of stuff. One way to really understand a blank is to sand the finish off and expose the +1 edge. But, you then understand a blank that you just ruined and will never use.
Thanks for everyone chiming in, :) I,m not trying to be a know it all, not even kinda....
We can all learn things here and share opinions and facts, The more I learn the more i find out i got more to learn. :'(
I,m liking this "argument topic" to a parallel with magnetism and the last presidential campain....... ??? gst
Regarding Tommy and Steve's comments: While it will be educational to see for yourself by grinding down a blank, we want to find the orientation that makes the rod that wants to twist the least when being bent. This is a case where we care most about the effect and not so much the cause. Using the tradional method, this will place the easiest to bend path on the outside of the test bend, and will mimize rotational load when building the rod with the guides on the outside or inside of this bend. You don't have to believe that this is caused by having more of the wall being thinner where it matters most. It can even be wrong. It won't matter.
As Steve has noted, the stiffest and softest paths are not necessarily on opposite sides of the blank. For folks that are willing to live with some twisting, they can build with the stiffest path on top, and have a theoretically minimally stronger (and stiffer) rod. To find this for sure, you would have to hang a subtantial weight from the tip (mebbe enough to have it flex down about 1/3 of the length), and rotate the blank until the tip hangs down the least. I have read that if you find the orientation where the blank cups upward, this will usually be the stiffest as well.
None of this is rocket surgery...
-J
Quote from: gstours on March 21, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Thanks for everyone chiming in, :) I,m not trying to be a know it all, not even kinda....
We can all learn things here and share opinions and facts, The more I learn the more i find out i got more to learn. :'(
I,m liking this "argument topic" to a parallel with magnetism and the last presidential campain....... ??? gat
Leaving politics aside,
Jeri posted a good example of challenging a commonly accepted belief leading to an advancement. But there is also the flip side that is a bit too common for my taste.
There is a distinct difference between being Galileo and a member of the Flat Earth Society. :)
-J
Sometimes I like the spine to be on the bottom of the rod. When casting, it makes the rod load differently, and often load better. 99% of the time is spent fishing and 1% spent catching. If an angry fish twists my rod and breaks it in half, I'll be as proud as punch.