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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn 99/Jigmaster/SurfMaster/Squidder Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: LanceV on February 18, 2023, 06:29:19 PM

Title: 50l SS Gear and Pinion
Post by: LanceV on February 18, 2023, 06:29:19 PM
 Just upgraded my Jigmaster 501. DD bridge,yoke 5+1 drag, 5:1 gear and pinion. I'm still messing with drag stack do get it right cause I think it's to tall when I back the star off still under pressure think I got that figured out from some old posts. My question is the pinion gear is noisy is this normal for SS?
Title: Re: 50l SS Gear and Pinion
Post by: foakes on February 18, 2023, 06:45:47 PM
Quote from: LanceV on February 18, 2023, 06:29:19 PMJust upgraded my Jigmaster 501. DD bridge,yoke 5+1 drag, 5:1 gear and pinion. I'm still messing with drag stack do get it right cause I think it's to tall when I back the star off still under pressure think I got that figured out from some old posts. My question is the pinion gear is noisy is this normal for SS?

Yes, Lance —-

Anytime a SS Pinion is paired with an SS main —- there will be a certain amount of noise as compared to a steel pinion and a brass main.

This is not a bad thing —- it just shows us the noise created by the durability of these upgrades.

Just keep it properly greased —- nothing to worry about.

Nice improvements!

Best, Fred
Title: Re: 50l SS Gear and Pinion
Post by: LanceV on February 18, 2023, 11:25:57 PM
So this thing is super noisy kind of grindy sort of. I backed off the left side bushing/bearing and it got quiter but its backed off way too much where the spool almost coming out of the pinion. Put the original gear back in and its fine although it seems the left bushing is backed out a bit too. Could it be a bad bearing/bushing at a loss right now. Also this is an older 501 I believe. I am a newbie to this. Thanks
Title: Re: 50l SS Gear and Pinion
Post by: Swami805 on February 18, 2023, 11:41:54 PM
new SS gears will break in and get quieter with some time once they smooth out.
Title: Re: 50l SS Gear and Pinion
Post by: handi2 on February 18, 2023, 11:52:56 PM
I've bought and used the SS gears.

They are noisy and I now don't believe they are any stronger.
Title: Re: 50l SS Gear and Pinion
Post by: Gfish on February 19, 2023, 07:32:28 PM
Quote from: LanceV on February 18, 2023, 11:25:57 PMSo this thing is super noisy kind of grindy sort of. I backed off the left side bushing/bearing and it got quiter but its backed off way too much where the spool almost coming out of the pinion. Put the original gear back in and its fine although it seems the left bushing is backed out a bit too. Could it be a bad bearing/bushing at a loss right now. Also this is an older 501 I believe. I am a newbie to this. Thanks

Maybe try taking out the spool and both bushings. Spin the bushings on the spool shafts—-too loose?, bad bushings. Difficult to tell, though. They are designed to work under a load.
Sometimes I have been able to improve spool position by using shims down inside the bushings. A plastic or metal or (best)delrin dot, works.
The ss gears should make some noise when new, but grinding don't sound right.
Title: Re: 50l SS Gear and Pinion
Post by: LanceV on February 19, 2023, 09:14:39 PM
I left the DD bridge out and everythings working don't know why? Kept swapping things around (I have 2 of these reels) swapped parts around and everytime I tried to use the bridge reels would be super noisy and not smooth. With the 5:1 gear and SS gear sleeve, stock bridge, SS yoke and pinion gear works fine. Even checked the screws holding the bridge not rubbing the spool. I noticed the SS bridge is slightly thinner but I don't know if that makes a difference. Thanks everyone for your input.
Title: Re: 50l SS Gear and Pinion
Post by: day0ne on February 20, 2023, 04:04:37 AM
The DD bridge makes noise. Two dogs clicking. Noise isn't always a bad thing. I like the noise the dogs make. I'll never understand the desire for total quiet and "smoothness" people demand in reels. I, however, can't stand the noise from cranking with a clicker on.
Title: Re: 50l SS Gear and Pinion
Post by: LanceV on February 20, 2023, 02:17:10 PM
The dogs clicking are fine, but you can barely hear them with the gritness sound?
Title: Re: 50l SS Gear and Pinion
Post by: Bill B on March 24, 2023, 04:24:19 AM
Lance what you are hearing is the gears breaking/wearing in.  SS gears take a lot longer to beak in than brass and steel gears.  Ever wonder why your old reels sound so smooth, they are well worn in.  If it bothers you that much head down to the auto parts store pick up some valve lapping compound and coat the gears.  Then sit down for a 30 minute video or show and spin the handle the whole time.  If you can put some tension on the spool the better. Heck you can practice spooling braid a couple times.  After you are done thoroughly clean all the parts and grease as normal.  You will see a big difference. 

Bill