Any one used them? Good? Bad? Ugly? :D I run Carbontex in my Newells and like them, any reviews on the Dragmasters? Thanks!
carbon fiber is carbon fiber is carbon fiber. i'm sure his product is as good as penn's, or smoothdrag's, or anyone elses. no one here is ever obligated to use one product over another, but it would be very tough for me to ever leave smoothdrag.....
one thing i did notice was that he has carbon fiber for the three washers inside the main gear and a hard fiber washer underneath. for me, that would be a deal breaker, but it wouldn't take more than a phone call for him to have that fourth drag washer made if he really wanted to.
Smoothdrag.com for me to 100%.................... ;D
I have installed over a hundred of these with no problems, so I would say good.
USA made, as it's stated. I'm sure they are okay, but cannot seem a path to buy them directly from Dragmaster.
I like Smoothdrag because I can go straight to the source if need be. Local stores carry them as well, same price, so no need to go elsewhere.
Sorry, I thought the question was if anyone had used dragmasters washers, not if we like Dawn at smoothdrag. I think dragmaster is a proprietary product of Tuna's Reel Troubles in Ludington, MI. I think Alan said it best, carbon fiber is carbon fiber, the stuff they use looks to have a slightly finer weave than HT-100. Pauly would probably make under gear washers if you requested them.
as far as i know, all the carbon fiber in this country is made by one company, ballard, inc., in massachusetts. never heard of this product until now, but i am certain that the dragmaster product would be fine.
Quote from: alantani on March 02, 2012, 05:50:48 AM
carbon fiber is carbon fiber is carbon fiber. i'm sure his product is as good as penn's, or smoothdrag's, or anyone elses.
Surprisingly, no- All carbon fiber is definitely NOT the same. They can differ quite a bit.
However, luckily most types used by reel manufacturers are of similar type and performance.
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Quote from: Robert Janssen on June 04, 2012, 11:54:07 AM
Surprisingly, no- All carbon fiber is definitely NOT the same. They can differ quite a bit.
However, luckily most types used by reel manufacturers are of similar type and performance.
I've used a product called, "Dragon Plate" for drag disks and it seems to be doing fine. The company goes into detail about how their product is superior but, not being really familiar with carbon fiber products, don't know if it's any better than whatever else is on the market.
What is necessary for carbon fiber to be used for drag disks? What should be avoided? How can one determine "quality"?
Drag masters are made of carbon fiber from ballard.
Quote from: alantani on March 02, 2012, 05:50:48 AM
carbon fiber is carbon fiber is carbon fiber. i'm sure his product is as good as penn's, or smoothdrag's, or anyone elses. no one here is ever obligated to use one product over another, but it would be very tough for me to ever leave smoothdrag.....
one thing i did notice was that he has carbon fiber for the three washers inside the main gear and a hard fiber washer underneath. for me, that would be a deal breaker, but it wouldn't take more than a phone call for him to have that fourth drag washer made if he really wanted to.
They are now shipping with a CF for under the main gear. Quick service too. Rudy
A guy asked me to sevice his reel with some parts and Dragmaster washers he had gotten from Tunatroubles reel parts in MI. It went well, had carbonfiber under washer. If Dawn quit selling wahers, I would have no problem changing. But I hope I don't have to.
Charlie
I recently tried to buy a set of drag washers from Dragmaster on Eb*y because I am a newb on here and didn't know about Smoothdrag at the time. After some time waiting for it to arrive, I checked the tracking info and it said it was delivered. So I got on Eb*y and decided to send the seller a message which I did and also saw the rating link so I gave the seller a neutral rating. Well the next day I get a somewhat heated email from Dragmaster sayng that he gets up in the morning and gets a "resolve the issue" email and a neutral rating. Now to me a neutral rating is not bad and it was just "saying" I did not receive anything. Who knows, maybe the neighbors were playing pogs with them? So anyway the email from Dragmaster continues that he was upset about the neutral rating and that he didn't feel like "...going the extra mile". He went on and said, "As it stands in black and white, that it was delivered." He ends the email with that which more or less is saying I lost the $ I spent for the drag washers and the shipping. I will never buy anything from this person/company again since Ebay's system is set up in the way you are asked to give a rating, (neutral, in this case) and also to resolve things. That is the way I saw it and a neutral rating isn't a negative mark on Dragmaster. Oh well!
The exact opposite of my dealing with Smooth Drag. Were you dealing with Dragonmaster or someone selling their products?
I can see him getting upset about the Neutral rating. People work hard to keep their 100% feedback rating.. If it were me, I would have filed a dispute. You have buyer protection to cover this.
Then maybe your drags would have showed up and you could have left a positive rating for something that was out of the sellers control. Plus, you would have gotten your drags. That's the way I see it.
Quote from: Keta on October 24, 2013, 02:18:52 AM
The exact opposite of my dealing with Smooth Drag. Were you dealing with Dragonmaster or someone selling their products?
I agree! Dawn at smooth drags is great to deal with.
For laminated sheets, Erik at cfDrags is the best, he has never let me down.
Scotts and Reely-gone have also been great to deal with.
Sal
Yes I should have gone with SmoothDrag which I have been reading is a very reputable company. How could I have known that Dragmaster would end up with it getting lost. It was really not the seller's fault that it got lost in shipping, so a neutral rating was just that, I did not receive it. Yeah maybe I would have gotten my washers if I had filed a dispute and left it at that, but the way EB is set up, a rating is what the email that was sent to me asked for so I did that first. I filed the dispute later when I saw that I could. As far as Sharkhunter's opinion, that's fine, we are all entitled to one and yes we all work hard at our jobs and want what is best for whatever benefits us the most. A neutral rating is not a death sentence and I just said I did not get it. Now why would I give a positive rating for something I did not get that I had paid hard earned money for? The seller just earned easy money and I should be positive about it? That is not how I see it, but EB is not the greatest place to buy from. You have to commit to things that sometimes you find out you do not really want.
I checked out their site and all they really have is stuff for the smaller Penns. Smaller than anything I got! I wish Dawn could carry the bigger senator drags. Scotts is making a fortune off me.
Maybe with these new sheets, I can make all my drags from them.
I'm not trying to push any buttons Keneke, I just think you should have gone a different route.
I know ebay can be a pain. I've been on both ends before, Selling and buying.
The thing with ebay, is that they have everything. I can't stay away!
I know the ins and outs, and have made quite a good chunk of change selling.
I can honestly say that I have never been burned. You have to play their little game.
The seller sent you a nasty email, you left him neutral feedback that will now be on his record for a year.
Now you filed a dispute to get your drags, but the feedback remains. see what I mean?
Well i was checking ebay for a 12/0, and found a guy that a friend of mine knows with one that he will sell me for 275, its been fished once and caught one fish! And its already spooled with 100lb BBG
Quote from: keneke on October 24, 2013, 05:36:11 AM
Yes I should have gone with SmoothDrag which I have been reading is a very reputable company. How could I have known that Dragmaster would end up with it getting lost. It was really not the seller's fault that it got lost in shipping, so a neutral rating was just that, I did not receive it. Yeah maybe I would have gotten my washers if I had filed a dispute and left it at that, but the way EB is set up, a rating is what the email that was sent to me asked for so I did that first. I filed the dispute later when I saw that I could. As far as Sharkhunter's opinion, that's fine, we are all entitled to one and yes we all work hard at our jobs and want what is best for whatever benefits us the most. A neutral rating is not a death sentence and I just said I did not get it. Now why would I give a positive rating for something I did not get that I had paid hard earned money for? The seller just earned easy money and I should be positive about it? That is not how I see it, but EB is not the greatest place to buy from. You have to commit to things that sometimes you find out you do not really want.
you obviously don't understand how eBay works:
1) you got burned by USPS, or someone in YOUR community -- NOT the Seller
2) you turned around & burned the Seller without justification (FYI: for eBay Seller grading, there's very little difference between Neutral & Negative -- BOTH SUCK)
3) the request for feedback is an automated form-letter that goes out when a shipment is marked "Delivered" in the tracking system -- nowhere does it say to leave Feedback, immediately. On the other hand, there are numerous articles, tutorials, and policy statements that specifically tell you NOT to leave Feedback, before you allow reasonable opportunity to resolve any issues.
4) no one "made easy money" -- he got a payment & shipped the product, like any other transaction... he might well have re-shipped at a loss (just for good PR), but you closed the door on that possibility by marring his reputation prematurely
Quote from: Bunnlevel Sharker on October 24, 2013, 12:02:40 PM
Well i was checking ebay for a 12/0, and found a guy that a friend of mine knows with one that he will sell me for 275, its been fished once and caught one fish! And its already spooled with 100lb BBG
That sounds like a fair Deal Grayson. Since its only been fished once, I take it has the Aluminum spool?
Yep, I like the one piece chrome better though, more capacity. I will be siting smooth drag for a 9+1 stack!
I have a custom 11 stack from my Main Man Sal to try out! ;)
That's on the list. When I took that pic of all my Senators, I had no reels to rebuild.
They are piling up again! I have two 114H's, a 10/0 and a 12/0 so far, plus a new aluminum spool and sideplates for my 12/0 parts reel.
When Black pearl gets the Hex gears in, I'm going to have to redo some of my 114's with the ss sleeve, dogs and such.
Quote from: philaroman on October 24, 2013, 02:52:33 PM
Quote from: keneke on October 24, 2013, 05:36:11 AM
Yes I should have gone with SmoothDrag which I have been reading is a very reputable company. How could I have known that Dragmaster would end up with it getting lost. It was really not the seller's fault that it got lost in shipping, so a neutral rating was just that, I did not receive it. Yeah maybe I would have gotten my washers if I had filed a dispute and left it at that, but the way EB is set up, a rating is what the email that was sent to me asked for so I did that first. I filed the dispute later when I saw that I could. As far as Sharkhunter's opinion, that's fine, we are all entitled to one and yes we all work hard at our jobs and want what is best for whatever benefits us the most. A neutral rating is not a death sentence and I just said I did not get it. Now why would I give a positive rating for something I did not get that I had paid hard earned money for? The seller just earned easy money and I should be positive about it? That is not how I see it, but EB is not the greatest place to buy from. You have to commit to things that sometimes you find out you do not really want.
you obviously don't understand how eBay works:
1) you got burned by USPS, or someone in YOUR community -- NOT the Seller
2) you turned around & burned the Seller without justification (FYI: for eBay Seller grading, there's very little difference between Neutral & Negative -- BOTH SUCK)
3) the request for feedback is an automated form-letter that goes out when a shipment is marked "Delivered" in the tracking system -- nowhere does it say to leave Feedback, immediately. On the other hand, there are numerous articles, tutorials, and policy statements that specifically tell you NOT to leave Feedback, before you allow reasonable opportunity to resolve any issues.
4) no one "made easy money" -- he got a payment & shipped the product, like any other transaction... he might well have re-shipped at a loss (just for good PR), but you closed the door on that possibility by marring his reputation prematurely
IF you had read what I was saying, yes it was not the seller's fault and it was the shipper. No I did not intend to burn anyone, but I still had no product. Yes, I do not really understand how ebay works on a daily basis because I don't shop there much. All I saw was a bunch of "avenues" to take so I took them, but was not intending to burn someone just for the hell of it. Did you read that part? I don't really want to spend a whole lot of time online reading every little thing just so I am an ebay ace like yourself. Obviously you are by the sounds of it and taking so much of your time to explain it on here. I already heard what Shark Hunter had to say. I really do not need you to point out my faults once again and it was already elaborated on. Thank you for the lesson. But if that's the case that you just wanted to put more salt in, you know where you can put it. I had admitted fault myself and explained why. So if you really want to, go preach and teach on ebay or open a site on the ins and outs of ebay transactions. It may help some, but good luck in getting people to really read it if they don't want to spend their life online. Geez some folks have so much time and nothing better to do! Why don't you take up fishing or surfing or something? All I wanted was to have my reel upgraded, not have to hear all the crud that you in particular have to dish out when you make any mistakes. It was for a few reel drag washers and not some Lamborghini brake pads. BTW, it sounds like you are the guy that I bought it from! :o
Sorry guys, I believe this one should stop here.
Thanks for your understanding.
Sal