I had trouble getting a grip on the left hand bearing cup with the OEM serrations (because I am old, weak and feeble). These cups are a snug fit and I could not even adjust the bearing cup to the proper end play. I have read here that some use pliers to adjust the cups and I didnt want to ruin the the original cups......anyway, I had a spare bearing cup and decided to file it to match the handle screw which I thought would give me a better grip...and it does. Combined with the friction brake that I am now using adjustment is a piece of cake.
Excellent!
Best, Fred
you did that with just a file? amazing
Thanks foakes!
steelfish; Actually two files....jewelers files...a diamond to layout the point of the cut and a round to finish to shape. Then I buffed it to finish it off.
Quote from: Flat Top on August 02, 2023, 06:16:55 PMThanks foakes!
steelfish; Actually two files....jewelers files...a diamond to layout the point of the cut and a round to finish to shape. Then I buffed it to finish it off.
for the quality and detail of the job plus the tools, I bet you have experience in jewelry :o
that would look awesome on any penn senator reel, specially on a Penn Baja Special
steelfish; Just about any Penn ball bearing cup would look nice with that filing. To top it off and really make it nice it would need to be nickeled or chromed.
No jewelry experience...custom gunsmithing and knife making...and fancy filing is a skill that is developed in those trades. When I was a young man I learned those trades from an old timer and he had me making gun parts by hand...hand tools only. Its amazing what the human mind, eye, and hand can do.
Quote from: Flat Top on August 02, 2023, 08:04:12 PM....... and knife making...and fancy filing is a skill that is developed in those trades.
yep that works too.
Tom!?? Alan Chui!?! Anyone!?! This is genius! Bill
That's quite some craftsmanship, good thinking too
Tom did make something similar I think awhile ago, maybe he can make them again
Thanks Bill B.; No not genius....like Swami805 says "do what you can with what you have where you are".....and I did.
My 140's are the only Penn reel I have this issue with. All my other Penn conventionals are "bushing" reels and not an issue. Just making the 140's a little more user friendly.
The only improvement I could make to what I did is to make the filed portion of the cup wider so I could get a BIG grip on that bearing cup.
Great lookin' job. Great idea. I want some, but not so sure about my filing skills/patience.
I've had luck with prying the female receptacle apart all the way around the outside section, where there are these tiny tabs that stick-out past the side-plate.
WOW Flat Top! That is beautiful work! I had the same problem with an old 140. I went with the same method Gfish used. It worked, but.....not in the same class as your work!
John
Quote from: Flat Top on August 02, 2023, 05:56:05 PMI had trouble getting a grip on the left hand bearing cup with the OEM serrations (because I am old, weak and feeble). These cups are a snug fit and I could not even adjust the bearing cup to the proper end play. I have read here that some use pliers to adjust the cups and I didnt want to ruin the the original cups......anyway, I had a spare bearing cup and decided to file it to match the handle screw which I thought would give me a better grip...and it does. Combined with the friction brake that I am now using adjustment is a piece of cake.
Oh, I like the way that looks!
Somebody is always coming up with something super inventive and neat around here!
Certainly looks like you have a new business venture going here, my friend!
I wonder, what could be done with the Dremel?
That had to of taken you a while, no?
Definitely does have a very unique look to it!
Gfish; Its really not that hard to do. All you need is two jewelers files and a little time. You can practice on a washer and when you develop the basic skill you will be well on your way. Maybe I should do a photo tutorial if enough interest is shown?
Finest Kind; I thought of that but decided against it. I was fearful that I would snap one of the tabs, or loosen the threaded insert, and did not want to ruin the OEM side plate.
Excessive Angler; A Dremel is too hard to control...one slip with the Dremel and its all over but the cryin'. The files allow excellent control...a bit more time consuming but you will get a much more uniform result. It took me about an hour of actual filing to complete the job.....add layout and buffing time and maybe an hour and a half at most. It was time well spent.
I get what you're saying about the Dremel!
Very hard, for me to hold little tiny files!
That's why I mentioned trying the Dremel!
An hour or two, is a drop in the bucket for a very nice outcome, on a great modification!
I don't think someone that doesn't have a lot of experience, will get that done in an hour or two lol! Then again, you never know!
There are definitely, some determined souls, around here for sure lol!
Amazing, what you can get done, when you just whittle at it, little by little lol!
You should take those bearing caps, and make yourself a little kit to sell, with your friction rings!
"Here come old Flat Top, He come grooving up slowly, He got joo joo eyeball, He one holly roller, He got hair down to his knees, Got to be a joker he just do what he please..." 1969, Lennon & Mcartney, Abby Road.
Sorry Dude, but your user name reminded me and my weird sense of humor of that song. First heard it when I was a kid and could never figure-out what John Lennon was referencing.
Ok, you've convinced me. I have round and half round keyhole files and I know I have tail-plate cup to play with.
Gfish; That is hilarious!!! You will need the round file and a three sided diamond file....maybe you can do it with a half round but that first cut has to be precise...it gets everything lined up for the round file.
Excessive Angler; I am 75 years old and if my old arthritic hands can accomplish this I am sure you can too. Its worth a shot....you just may be amazed at all that talent you have!
Gotcha. I do have a tiny 3 sider. Thanks F.T. Had to add reference to the published work of others.
Gfish; Give it a shot and become a hero! LOL!!!
Quote from: Flat Top on August 04, 2023, 02:33:24 PMGfish; Its really not that hard to do. All you need is two jewelers files and a little time. You can practice on a washer and when you develop the basic skill you will be well on your way. Maybe I should do a photo tutorial if enough interest is shown?
Oh yeah a tutorial is DEFINITELY needed for this!
Bill
Flat Top, I would really like to see a tutorial or a few pics as well! I have got to try that on my Squidder!
John
Bill, Finest Kind; I will work on that today and post here later.
That is indeed impressive work.
But Tom's Cortez Conversions' were the cat's pajamas. I still have them on some of my ProGears.
Quote from: Gfish on August 04, 2023, 06:15:30 PM"Here come old Flat Top, He come grooving up slowly, He got joo joo eyeball, He one holly roller, He got hair down to his knees, Got to be a joker he just do what he please..." 1969, Lennon & Mcartney, Abby Road.
Sorry Dude, but your user name reminded me and my weird sense of humor of that song. First heard it when I was a kid and could never figure-out what John Lennon was referencing.
Ok, you've convinced me. I have round and half round keyhole files and I know I have tail-plate cup to play with.
And I thought I was the only kid stumped by the Beatles songs, until I was a little older!
He say I know you, you know me!
One thing I can tell you, is you've got to be free, come together! Right now!
Over me! and I know there's something else in there about monkey and shoeshine, and Coca-Cola, but been many years, since I've heard or thought about that song lol!
That would always, come on the radio, if there wasn't a 8-track in the player of the old Caddy Eldorado lol!
Thanks for the little flashback man!
Gotta love this place lol!
Flat Top was going to post with further photos —-
But his desktop computer was out-dated, and an old operating system (Windows 8) —- and he is going to get a new laptop, then post more.
He asked me to let everyone know.
Best, Fred
Ok, FT. Looking forward to your return. I gave it a shot on a 113H. But it looks like I godda go deeper. At least I didn't scrape-up the threads. I used a silver sharpie to cover the brass where the chrome plating is gone. This was a good tail-plate cup to try this on as the threads were already a tiny bit boggered and it was difficult to screw-in.
New computer is ready to go, but I am going to try this with my old one....its going downhill fast. These photos are in order and kind of self explanatory. I will try to stay on here as best I can but in a few days I will get the new computer hooked up by a computer guru.....I cant do it myself because I am technologically impaired.
Gfish; Great job!!! Your getting there! Wrap some blue painters tape around the collar (one wrap) on the cup. Set your file at an angle to compensate for the curve of the file so you can cut a straight even line across the cup. When the file hits the tape STOP filing!
just got the new computer up and running!
Gfish; to repair those threads on your bearing cup you can use a thread file.
Quote from: Gfish on August 06, 2023, 12:03:29 AMOk, FT. Looking forward to your return. I gave it a shot on a 113H. But it looks like I godda go deeper. At least I didn't scrape-up the threads. I used a silver sharpie to cover the brass where the chrome plating is gone. This was a good tail-plate cup to try this on as the threads were already a tiny bit boggered and it was difficult to screw-in.
looking goood Gboy, nice job
Im too busy at the moment to try this mod but I will try it out sooner or later
Thank you FT. A question...is the washer just to show us how or is it a pattern to follow on the bearing cup? Bill
The washer is just an example Bill.