We have been talking in the post for the 16/0 and thought it would be better to have a post for this. I've been thinking about checking prices to get 1/8" 304SS cut and the gear sleeve pin made. We need to decide though which reel would we most want this SS bridge plate for. What price would you want to pay for it? Also how many would you want to buy. I don't want to make any money from these and want to keep the price down if possible. Any thoughts about this?
Quote from: Squirmypug on March 06, 2012, 04:43:28 AM
gear sleeve pin
Are you referring to the shaft/post on the plate or the actual pin (about 3/32") that holds the sleeve to the shaft/post?
The post on the plate.
G'day SP, I'd be keen on half a dozen for 113H 'Tank' projects.
Don't have a view on cost though.
Cheers, Justin
Thanks Redsetta, I was thinking the 113h would be main reel guys would want the bridge plate for. I will start checking on prices soon and let everyone know if it will be worth doing. I know that Alto would want the plate changed a little to cover the second dog, would anyone mind if they are all made to cover it?
Suits me.
Cheers SP, Justin
I would take a couple for the 113H. If it would cover the additional spring, all the better.
Squirmypug, you're getting me excited!
About the the new bridge being a little wider, we need to be careful. Unfortunately not all of Penn plates are exactly the same on the inside, tolerance is tight on some. I believe that if you trace the original plate with the pencil ( not sharp as a needle )and then leaving the pencil mark on the new bridge, it should do it. Just put a nice bevel on the edge. Thanks for your effort, we appreciate it. Sal
Itmight be a good idea to test the new bridge before proceeding with the rest.
Adding a little by tracing the old plate would be easy. I agree Sal, we would need to test fit so I may have to send the first to you to make sure it will work. Don't get too excited, I haven't even found a place to look at them yet. Any idea on the price for these? I would hate to find out you DIDN'T want to pay $50 each ;D
I think if you add .065 to the plate over the second dog spring and no where else there will be enough clearance, bevel the edges like the factory bridge. I've been trying to find a used 113H bridge to have the water cutter cut a few to play with. My machinist friend is busy doing work for pay and dealing with a divorce/new girl friend so he can't make shafts for at least a month. My "new" lathe needs a few more days clean up and a few hundred dollars in gears and tooling before I can make the shafts in my shop.
I have 4 113H reels apart and soaking right now, I'll put some clay on the edge of one of the bridges, put it in place and check the clearance today. I'll post what I find.
Bridges will require machine work, water cutting, and welding. Material is not cheep now and my scrap pile hasn't got much more light gage SS. They will not be cheep to build....I wan't one!
On the bridge and side plate I have there is about 1/8" of clearance (red line on left) most of the way but not around the gear sleeve (between the lower red lines). If you make them 3/32" wider by the second dog or 3/8" wider it will work
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/BridgeII.jpg)
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Keta there are a few metal stores online that you can buy small amounts from, may be worth checking those out. The small solid bar for the post is cheap but the plate will cost a little more. Makule said that he could turn the posts on his lathe, if you can get your friend to make the plate we could make these very cheap. I don't know how many Makule could turn for us but that would get a few test pieces out anyway.
I have the new material, scrap and the drop barrel from when my brother closed down his Aviation Weld Repair Station and machine shop and have a few pieces of high grade SS I'm working with now. I even have some titanium and inconel shaft but not much. I can get full or cut SS sheets in town but it's mostly 308, 316 or lower.
You shouldn't have told me all that, a titanium or iconel plate would be so much cooler than SS ;D I've never seen 308 ss plate, only 308l as tig filler. 304 or 316SS would both be good choices for this.303 would be easy to cut but it doesn't weld very well and I'm not sure how corrosion resistant it is.Anything that doesn't cost much would be good for the first few anyway, if the demand for them is high we can get better/matching stuff
Titanium plate would be great if it's the hard stuff. Lots of titanium is quite soft. Titanium is very light compared to SS.
I was supposed to send off the post, but haven't done so because I thought I'd wait until I cut a few more, including for the 113. I'm in the process of "tanking" my reels so while doing that, the sleeve can be removed (if I can get a suitable pin punch) and the dimensions of the post can be gotten.
Also, if Alan's SS sleeves for the 113 have the pin hole at a different height, I can also cut the post to match (if I can get a sample sleeve). Further, I'll try cutting the post so that there's not so much slop/play (there has to be some) between it and the sleeve.
BTW, how many do you want/need right now?
Don't need any right now, I still haven't found anyone to make the plate yet. Next week I'm going to look around to see how much they will cost. If they don't cost too much I want to get 10-15 for the 113h made. After those are sold we can make more. I just don't want to put alot of money into them and have them not fit/sell. There is no hurry for you to make the pins yet. Thanks again for putting the work into these and have fun "tanking" your reels. ;D
Quote from: Squirmypug on March 11, 2012, 09:52:54 AM
Don't need any right now, I still haven't found anyone to make the plate yet. Next week I'm going to look around to see how much they will cost. If they don't cost too much I want to get 10-15 for the 113h made. After those are sold we can make more. I just don't want to put alot of money into them and have them not fit/sell. There is no hurry for you to make the pins yet. Thanks again for putting the work into these and have fun "tanking" your reels. ;D
I was planning on having the plates water cut, the cutting is relitively cheep but the drawing could cost.
Keta how much do you think that would be? I was just looking online for places near me that can waterjet/laser cut parts, going to try to talk to them this week about it.
I'm waiting for the dogs to get cut, he's busy and doing my work when he can, I'll ask. I just finished turning a bag full of corroded and filthy parts into 3 113HW reels and have most of the parts for a 4th the owner said I could have. I'll take the plate in when I pick up the dogs.
Don't you love it when someone takes EVERYTHING apart on several reels and then sends them to you in a ziplock bag with holes in it to fix?
Quote from: Keta on March 11, 2012, 03:51:33 PM
Don't you love it when someone takes EVERYTHING apart on several reels and then sends them to you in a ziplock bag with holes in it to fix?
It's your own fault Lee, You've showed them too much. Now they know that if a part is missing, no worries. you could make one ;).
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 11, 2012, 03:57:17 PM
It's your own fault Lee, You've showed them too much. Now they know that if a part is missing, no worries. you could make one ;).
When I inventoried the parts I inspected and sorted them for useability and expected to find springs and screws missing, the only thing gone was a clicker button. All 4 dog springs were there until I got my hands on them then there were only 3 ??? All 4 had the pinion gear rusted to the spool shaft.
I now have a 113H reel that needs new gears, a post and a clicker button to use for parts.
Glad to say I haven't had anyone bring me a "puzzle" in a bag ;D
Penn reels are easy.
QuoteDon't you love it when someone takes EVERYTHING apart on several reels and then sends them to you in a ziplock bag with holes in it to fix?
It's okay if the reel is one you've worked on previously. Try doing it with one that's apart, that you've never worked on before, and doesn't have all the parts (or some "extra" parts that came from a different reel).
Lee can your 1-beer machinist not cut the gears? If he can at least cut the teeth, I may be able to do the rest.
Quote from: Keta on March 11, 2012, 03:51:33 PM
I'm waiting for the dogs to get cut, he's busy and doing my work when he can, I'll ask. I just finished turning a bag full of corroded and filthy parts into 3 113HW reels and have most of the parts for a 4th the owner said I could have. I'll take the plate in when I pick up the dogs.
Don't you love it when someone takes EVERYTHING apart on several reels and then sends them to you in a ziplock bag with holes in it to fix?
Lee, be greatful that they trust you enough to send you reels in bags. There are guys I know that I wouldn't even trust holding my completed reels (butter fingers). ;D