I had seen these reels from Fred `s liquidation thread . Interest peaked , I had to try one . I just received 2 of these reels . Both are missing parts so he gave both of them , to make one working electric reel .
Now that I have them and looking them over ,I see two different designs . The switching mechanism are different , seen from the outside .
I have been looking for Schematics , mainly for the switch that was used for the red one here .
There is very little information that I can find so far . Anybody have one to compare notes?
Joe i was thinking about these. I assume you won't do this because you're smarter than me and probably don't destroy vintage reels out of curiosity. But I'd consider it.
Back in the day they hadn't yet figured out how to cheap out on electrical components. So I'm betting the wires are thick-ish and the motor is likely oversized. And an 18650 battery might fit in the spot the C battery came from. An enterprising but ill advised person could probably make that thing way more powerful.
Well I did the same thing , thinking there was motor in there . There is not . It is a electromagnet anti backlash system . I will be posting shortly of the internals
The death of many of those was from leaving the battery in that corroded. Pretty sure there was a thread about them on here at one point
I have try a search here and did not find anything technical. I am open to all information .
This is about the best so far information wise .
http://fishinghistory.blogspot.com/2010/03/bright-idea-brief-history-of-electric.html
One thing that sticks out to me is that the automatic line sensor mechanism can stay on all the time and drain the battery.
This one is the one that looks like it will kill a battery .
The second picture is the auto minis the switch itself that i am looking for information .
The third picture is the manual switch assemble
Saw a few of these for sale at various sites!
There has to be a bunch of ORCA members here!
I heard somebody mentioning about giving ORCA credit, for some information and some pics not too long ago!
Did you try doing a search by images on Google?
Nothing Coit in the Members Only Reel News access or Harvey Garrison Library.
Quote from: ExcessiveAngler on October 03, 2023, 04:18:09 AMSaw a few of these for sale at various sites!
There has to be a bunch of ORCA members here!
I heard somebody mentioning about giving ORCA credit, for some information and some pics not too long ago!
Did you try doing a search by images on Google?
I have google , owners manual, schematics and patents . I tried the patent link from the article that Dr todd Larson wrote . It did not bring me to the original patent . I have to keep working at that , there is a lot to be learned from patents . I did get the drawing from that link.
It is the manual switch drawing . I am look for the automatic switch drawing or pictures .
Quote from: Midway Tommy on October 03, 2023, 04:23:27 AMNothing Coit in the Members Only Reel News access or Harvey Garrison Library.
Thank you for looking there . I thought if there is a schematic around , it would be there .
Ok dumb question is it "coit" or "colt"?
Here I am going show some design change . I am kinder baffle with this .
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Note that were the coil assemble location is .
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This one is missing ,but you can see the location . also the the holes that the coil probes go in .
Now I am going to flip the plates over and show what confuses me .
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Look at were the difference in the plate arrangements are . They are 180 degrees different for were the magnetic prob will pull from?
Here is the plate that the moves the braking on the spool
I think maybe you will learn a little more about the reel mechanics here, Joe. Plus there are some additional links to references. :d
https://patents.google.com/patent/US2600685A/en
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on October 03, 2023, 12:27:24 AMmake that thing way more powerful.
Quite possible that the electronics were designed for operating at 1.5 volts @ "limited" amperage. Increasing either of these properties might not give the expected results.
Joe, the individual electronic parts might be patented. Somebody had to make them. Also, I would bet that end of the design was a partnership(see ET-AL). There's no way to build that reel without first knowing where to put the electronic parts.
The design patent you show helps to identify the parts. Business documents might lead to some other design details and patents. Find out who all the ET-AL's are and there might be some clues.
Quote from: Midway Tommy on October 03, 2023, 05:26:26 PMI think maybe you will learn a little more about the reel mechanics here, Joe. Plus there are some additional links to references. :d
https://patents.google.com/patent/US2600685A/en
Thank you Thank You It was driving me nuts . I was getting a 404 error or when I typed in the # ,
it gave me mechanisms for other machines . Maybe the suffix A/en was the ticket .
Back to reading ....
Quote from: Shellbelly on October 03, 2023, 05:56:31 PMQuote from: JasonGotaProblem on October 03, 2023, 12:27:24 AMmake that thing way more powerful.
Quite possible that the electronics were designed for operating at 1.5 volts @ "limited" amperage. Increasing either of these properties might not give the expected results.
Joe, the individual electronic parts might be patented. Somebody had to make them. Also, I would bet that end of the design was a partnership(see ET-AL). There's no way to build that reel without first knowing where to put the electronic parts.
The design patent you show helps to identify the parts. Business documents might lead to some other design details and patents. Find out who all the ET-AL's are and there might be some clues.
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If you can help me out , it would be much appreciated . Trying to read the patent and looking at the picture . For instance # 77,&9 ,82 . 77 is adjustable from the spool side .
I hope some one has the operating instruction to post ..
I'm in!
I feel like I make this face in a lot of meetings
I checked the coil with a meter .
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I did not have a c size battery to test with , so I used a double A battery with jumper wire . It pulled the brake pad , so now I can pull it all apart.
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I got my Buck Rogers ray gun and zapped the wire to battery can to free it , so I can remove the coil . and switch. It is fine wire and could break easily .
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Tore down both reels and started cleaning up the parts
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While looking for more information , I found on ebay Fishgrain has the box set . I reached out to Justin and he sent me pictures of the user manual . Thank You Justin .
Wow!
I think the right guy got these old Coits.
Thanks, Joe,
Best, Fred
I am going to keep working at it . I think I see a pattern as to why the changes made in the bail systems .
Automatic click release! Every reel in the world should have this. I can't stand it when folks don't disengage a clicker when they reel in. Like scratching on a chalkboard.
When you get around to the other side Joe, can you please show that assembly?
You custom guys might be able to do something with this feature.
Here it is , look at the shape of the paw . That should help kick it out in one direction.
The pencil points to were the big ears are , holding the paw in place . Smooth that side and it should let it kick out.
That's so simple. I had it way over-engineered in my brain....and I called it "an assembly"!!
I am still doing my home work looking for the other switch mechanism . Going through the cited information . (https://alantani.com/gallery/38/17471-061023204210-383061423.jpeg)
I have looked at putting the two parts of the together , but there is no room for both . It`s one or the other .
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To back up the two types of bails , the measurements don`t lie . The "thicker" material bail doesn`t fit in the slot of the switching arm .
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The slot is .025 wide and the bail tang is .035 . It would seem simple to just widen the slot and call it good , but here is the catch the slot has a pocket in it . You can see the walls on the end of the slot.
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I can go into hack fabrication , but I will hold off . Again it looks easy to solved by filing the bail tang and fitting it to the switch . The other foreseeable problem doing that is the add weight of the thicker bail . Problem being is the spring part of the switch . I don`t think it is strong enough.
The part of the switch that I am pointing to with the pencil is considered the spring to lift the bail up according to the patent description . It is supposed to push the lever witch in turns lift the bail up . I see were this was a problem and made it very finicky . That is a lot of cantilever on that spring .
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I am waiting for more information to arise for now !!!
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I keep looking at this plate , trying to figure it out . So I put the coil on the plate and energized it .
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The armature plate did not move , even with the spool in place . I also though that it may have been installed wrong , but it is made to be in that location
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The differences between the armature plates are the tang in the center hole and the pin hole in the plate .
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I went ahead and modified the switch to fit the bigger bail . It took a little while to get the spring/ electrical contact to work . Finally got the balance of switch on and off and spring action for the bail to work properly.
When it is working right , you can hear the clicking of the brake /armature .
I did some testing !!! This is not reel you want a birds nest with if you have fat fingers .
There is no room to pull the loops and hooks , too many bars to work around .
But it does work . I used a 2 ounce sinker instead of the 4 ounce as per instructions . That kept the spool speed down , smaller nest....
Fumbled with the phone , but the two results are in video