Hi.
Today i got a package in the mail. A Penn 49 super mariner. I knew from the pictures in the add it was not perfekt.. and it was not, but not superbad, i think i can make it look good.
But, the o-ring on both sides had cracks, and it is missing some screws. The screws i think wil be "easy" finding, but the o-rings maybe not so easy.. howv important is it to have the rings "perfect" wil the cracked ones influence the performance?
Not opened it yet, so more questions wil probably come 😉😉
Best regards
Kolbein
The rings, posts and screws working together give the reel structural strength. A broken ring is the weak link in the chain. Think of them as you would a wheel which can support far more than it's own weight as long as the circle is unbroken.
They're colloquially referred to here as "beauty rings" so I think their primary function is cosmetic. I think perhaps that they work to protect the sideplates from direct pressure at the point where they receive post and stand screws, distributing the pressure more evenly across the outside of the sideplate. I suppose it is possible if your rings are fully broken through that there could be more torsion/flex in the sideplate under heavy load.
I'm also not sure that the flat head screws connecting the sideplate to the stand in the first and last picture are OEM - it looks like it may have been a make-do replacement that could be the cause for the rings cracking in the first place. There are other guys on here that can zero in on that question definitively.
They tend to be called reinforcing rings in marketing materials. Now we all know there's nothing definitive about marketing. But yes they distribute the load at what would otherwise be a weak point.
I have rings available for these. But shipping is probably brutal.
Normally Keta would respond as he has a fondness for that series of reels, but I know he is currently out on the SOA trip. The internals I believe are all standard Penn fare, the externals and cosmetics I am not sure about. And f I recall correctly Kolbein you are international which tends to complicate getting even readily available parts from vendors. But I second the remarks above about adding durability and a measure of strength. I tend to see ring failures due to a few items:
Rampant corrosion (really obvious when that happens)
Gorilla maintenance (ring screws do not need to have a torque spec rivaling automotive tires) Usually right around the screws where the ring metal is weakest.
Side plate swelling (really tough to see until you try and mount a new "out of the box" ring and it does not want to fit).
So - I would seriously begin to look at replacement of those items - that is the framework/structure/exoskeleton for all the mechanical parts of the reel. - john
Thanks for the excellent answers. I must sau i like this forum 🙂🙂
@squidder bider. You could be right about the screws not beeing ome. St least i think someone at one point failed to see that it was two different screwes and used the wrong one at post/mount. Something is not right with the placement 🙂
@jasongotaproblem Thanks for the offer 🙂 i have a feeling that I wil be in need of more parts, Wien i open it up. And wil probably nerd to order up some from mysticparts. I have relatives in the us, so wil have it shipped to them, my stuff can piggyback something else when shipping for christmas etc🙂
@brewmaster. I wil keep look for your tips i think that gorilla maintenace is in the ballpark. Two cracks ar directly at a screwhole. (Two other, are not).. i'll examine carefully when taking apart.. i just have to stsrt/finish an 85 first 🙂🙂
Again, thanks for the help 🙂🙂🙂
Best regards
Kolbein
Hi. I have similar issue with my penn 49. I have one that the outer rings and one inner ring are cracked. I would suggest you buy a better penn 49 without the cracked rings and missing parts. Keep and use this penn 49 reel for parts. It will cost you more time and money to buy replacement parts.
Quote from: Surfrat on October 05, 2023, 07:26:52 PMHi. I have similar issue with my penn 49. I have one that the outer rings and one inner ring are cracked. I would suggest you buy a better penn 49 without the cracked rings and missing parts. Keep and use this penn 49 reel for parts. It will cost you more time and money to buy replacement parts.
That is not a bad idea🙂🙂
Regarding frame strength....maybe. Look at 149, 249. I risk a guess that these two models were put through similar duties as the 49. Maybe they failed? I don't know, but plenty are still out there ready to go.
Many of us over here are sitting on parts for all the Mariners...except maybe for the OEM wide model.
If Mariners are plentiful and reasonable where you are, Surfrat is on point for your solutions.
Just out of curiosity, what would it cost to ship 5 lbs from Texas to your door? Check on EBay for something light like that and let us know. Who knows, it might not be too bad.
With regard to the stand screws, I think that if the angle of the flat head screw that is not an OEM part does not match the bevel/chamfer of the screw recess, it could be the cause of the cracking of the ring(s). Also, the OEM stand screws tend to be just long enough to "bite" into the tapped ears of the stand screw but not longer so that you will not over-torque them and the screws will not be proud of the stand such that they might catch line as it comes off of the spool.
Brian you aren't wrong re: this application. The 49 was no stump digger. I'd like to think I was talking about the concept of the rings. They do a lot more on a 12/0 than they do on a 49
I am sending you a personal message that may help you.
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on October 05, 2023, 10:03:37 PMI'd like to think I was talking about the concept of the rings.
No doubt about that in the big game trolling reels. I never understood the rings vs no rings on the 49 & 149. That's the thing I was getting at. I've never been a wire liner so I can't speak to pros and cons of Deep Sea/Mariners with/without rings....or whether a broken ring is more than just that given the 149 & 249 were likely put to the same work as 49.
I leave 349 out because it's a different class of winch beast-ism. Very likely unbreakable at work.
249 is for light duty, no drag, plastic spool
149 is like a narrow Longbeach, uses model 60 drag
49 is like a 4/0 class narrow, high speed trolling reel primarily intended for wire lining
349 is like a 6/0 class narrow, high speed trolling reel primarily intended for wire lining
The tall narrow spools allowed for letting out great lengths of wire line to control trolling depth. Disengaging the anti-reverse on the 49 and 349 allowed for backpeddling to fine tune depth. Other benefits of the tall spools were steadily increasing drag pressure as the fish went deeper into the spool and a change in leverage and retrieval speed from the bottom to the top of the spool. Easier to thumb the line also. They were purpose built reels for their time. High speed? For their time yes, compared to the Senator and Longbeach. I like to think of the 49 as a 4.5/0 and the 349 as a 5/0.
And yes, the rings are an integral part of the strength of these reels as well as protection for the edges of the side plates. The design of the head of the screws is also important to it's strength as is the diameter of the posts. If you don't believe me or don't like the looks of crusty old cracked outer rings just remove them. The relief for the screw heads is right there in the plates.
Quote from: Shellbelly on October 05, 2023, 08:56:08 PMJust out of curiosity, what would it cost to ship 5 lbs from Texas to your door? Check on EBay for something light like that and let us know. Who knows, it might not be too bad.
Fright comes in at between 35 to 50 USD. So doubling the cost of most reels 🙂 we do have a norwegian variant, so i have a search there for penn reels 🙂 but things wil be slower than if ebay was local to me 😉😉
Hi. Me again 🙂.. so I have gotten a lot of good help both here and in pm's.. i'm not in a hurry to fix this one, but opened ut last night.. not as bad as feared. Need a lot of cleaning,a lot... but to me, ghe parts seem ok.. postingsome photos, to get feedback on the parts, sideplates etc.. i know they are dirty, but hope that potensial problems are visible. Thanks in advance 🙂🙂
Best regards Kolbein
Mystic has them for now but they are a lot of $.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/2-49-I.aspx
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/2-49-OL.aspx
farmer56 here , a fellow norwegian . fourth generation south west Minnesota farmer,recently retired. My inlaws still have a farm in Norway , would like to see some day . enough about me , i think i have a mint 49 might even have steel cable on it . Free to you . I will even help out on the shipping . P M me your address if interested Dennis Heggeseth transplanted Norwegian , this may hurt alittle but my sister did a dna kit test , 83% norway 17% sweden
Quote from: farmer56 on October 12, 2023, 02:44:48 PMfarmer56 here , a fellow norwegian . fourth generation south west Minnesota farmer,recently retired. My inlaws still have a farm in Norway , would like to see some day . enough about me , i think i have a mint 49 might even have steel cable on it . Free to you . I will even help out on the shipping . P M me your address if interested Dennis Heggeseth transplanted Norwegian , this may hurt alittle but my sister did a dna kit test , 83% norway 17% sweden
Pm sent.. I'm lost for words 🙂🙂
Is the broken ring the left outside ring? If so I might have one, not in great shape but better than that one. I could send it to you Dennis and maybe you can slip it in the box. N/C. Bill
Bill i will wait, i was also going to add a few extras
Quote from: Bill B on October 12, 2023, 03:45:06 PMIs the broken ring the left outside ring? If so I might have one, not in Greta shape but better than that one. I could send it to you Dennis and maybe you can slip it in the box. N/C. Bill
I dont know what to say. It is both outer rings 🙂 sending a pm
Best regards Kolbein
I will check the parts bin and see what I have. They may not be pretty but at least in one piece. I will post photos later. Bill
I'll check mine. Now that i don't have to be the one to do the overseas shipping (or fill out that dang customs form) I'm happy to contribute.
Ok this is what I have. Both inside rings are intact and the handle ring is intact. However the left outside ring IS cracked, but still in one piece. All rings have pitting and chrome loss. I also have the proper missing screws. They are yours if you want them, if so I will get them in the mail to Dennis. Bill
Quote from: Bill B on October 12, 2023, 07:56:19 PMOk this is what I have. Both inside rings are intact and the handle ring is intact. However the left outside ring IS cracked, but still in one piece. All rings have pitting and chrome loss. I also have the proper missing screws. They are yours if you want them, if so I will get them in the mail to Dennis. Bill
Thanks Bill. I don't know how to thank you enough. :)
Cool beans I will try to get it in the mail this weekend. Bill
Bill i will wait for pak. On a side note Kolbein thinks his uncle married a sister of one of my relatives . during our P M names and addresses he recognized my last name, and the town in Norway was the same as my great-great-great-grandfather.
The rings and screws were put in the mail today. Dennis, you should receive them by Wednesday. I will pm the tracking number.
Kolbein, I hope they work for you. They aren't in the best of shape, but useable.
Bill
Quote from: Bill B on October 14, 2023, 08:44:19 PMThe rings and screws were put in the mail today. Dennis, you should receive them by Wednesday. I will pm the tracking number.
Kolbein, I hope they work for you. They aren't in the best of shape, but useable.
Bill
Thank you :) :) :)
Bill just got in and grabbed the mail.. Your package was in it . I will mail out to Norway by the weekend . The P M that has been going on since this started has me looking for spare parts in my inventory that will be usefull for him.. I'm also looking for a squidder or jigmaster he could use that i don't need !!!! I think we need Penn across the POND , just like we like ABU . dennis out
any updates on the 49 project? Bill
I priced new 49L rings, a set are more than a 49 is worth.
I received a PM from Kolbein, the parts haven't l3ft the states yet. At least they aren't lost in the mail ;D
None of this is a criticism.
I wanted nothing to do with this, until I found out Farmer56 was gonna handle the international shipping portion. Shipping a box to Donnyboat in AUS was still fresh in my mind. It took me 5 months to get around to and get through the headache of adequately filling out the customs form to describe, list weight, and country of origin, for each of the 40+ individual items in the box. If he were paying me for this he'd probably be pretty crunchy about that delay, but i understand fully why mystic doesn't do international shipping anymore.
I fear when Farmer56 signed up for this, he didn't know what he'd agreed to, or how much work it would be.
It's not the least bit surprising that it's taking him a bit to process it all. Doesn't mean he's doing anything wrong. It's just a lot.
We ship to our daughter in Canada often, the coustoms forms are a PIA but not that bad.
Old bakelite plates on Penn reels can swell-up, possibly contributing to ring breakage. The only way to preserve one like that might be to grind-down the plate. I have a 2/0 Senator like that and grinding worked but it will never be like new.
An interesting aspect on old Daiwa Sealine reels is that they have a 1-piece aluminum frame + head-plate and both parts have a steel ring which only functions to protect the edges. Maybe some "bling" too. On page 1, Reallytime's post seems to be correct on the function for Penn's.
Quote from: Gfish on December 02, 2023, 02:31:21 AMOld bakelite plates on Penn reels can swell-up, possibly contributing to ring breakage. The only way to preserve one like that might be to grind-down the plate. I have a 2/0 Senator like that and grinding worked but it will never be like new.
An interesting aspect on old Daiwa Sealine reels is that they have a 1-piece aluminum frame + head-plate and both parts have a steel ring which only functions to protect the edges. Maybe some "bling" too. On page 1, Reallytime's post seems to be correct on the function for Penn's.
Visualy they look ok without sweeling, but I probably should measure the thiknes around the whole plate?
When you get the unbroken rings, you'll know.
I put a light coating of grease under the rings, it seems to help.
If the plates are swollen, use a flat file and gently file the edges of the plates until the rings easily fit.
And Dennis I didnt mean to put you on blast. Ive never done international shipping and figure its quite a PITA. Bill
The tarif BS is a PIA, paperwork not so bad.
The rings are very hard to get. Better to find a better reel to start with.
Mike
Quote from: mikeysm on December 03, 2023, 05:11:40 PMThe rings are very hard to get. Better to find a better reel to start with.
Yep. They show up from time to time, but are often priced as much as 75% of the price of a nice complete Mariner. The last full set of decent rings I saw was 48 bucks plus shipping. That's around the average price of a complete reel in decent shape. Throw in the price of a nice 24-49 handle, and a 25.00 Mariner in fair shape just tripled in cost with replacing just rings and a handle. Heck, the screws alone could run 15-20 bucks. Proportionately, reel parts are crazy expensive.
Now, it's a completely different mindset if that reel is going to put food in your freezer.
Price 348/349H parts, they are crazy high.
I have plenty of 349h parts. Also one set of new rings. I have 49 inside rings about 10 but no outside rings. I have a two reels one left and one right handed one.
Quote from: mikeysm on December 03, 2023, 11:04:32 PMI have plenty of 349h parts. Also one set of new rings. I have 49 inside rings about 10 but no outside rings. I have a two reels one left and one right handed one.
I do to, including both low and high gearsets and yokes, new side plates and rings.
Somehow I ended up with four 49's and one 349HC that came on a Nep-Tuna, tbut that's another story ;) Bill