Alan - any chance we will see a drag upgrade kit for the penn 349's? Like the diawa 900h they have a thick 3 stack drag with room to convert to a 5 + 1 stack, but it appears that custom metal washers will need to be cut.
unlikely. you can still get a decent 15 pounds of drag out of the 349 with just the stack of three washers. not bad for a reel that size.
to get the 900h metal washers cut, i had to make a minimum order of $500 for 500 pieces (300 keyed and 200 eared). i'm only selling them at cost and have sold 30 so far. the advantage of the 5-stack for the 900h is that the drag range was bumped from 20 to 35 pounds. that increase was essential to put the drag range in line with other "9/0" reels.
to increase the number of drags to 5, there are other options. at the very least, you MUST have a second eared metal washer. if you have that, then it can be done. alan
I had some thin 349H washers cut and opened up the ID of 5 Carbontex #48 washers to .50+ and stuck them in the gear.
Here's the old washers and and the new parts
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/349HDragStack.jpg)
5+1 349H assembled
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/349HAssemblyI.jpg)
Good job, Lee! You've carried the 349H drag thing a step beyond what I've done. I'm sure that it will give you more potential drag than a 6/0. I'm wondering if it is possible to overtighten the drags on our 349H's to the point that we bend the reel foot, or something else gives? :o Your thoughts?
BTW thanks again for the drag washers.
George
Great Job on the conversion, Lee!
George, Your rod will probably malfunction before the reel if it's juiced up like Lee's is ;)
Dom
As soon as the spring washers compress the drag spikes to higher than I want to use for these reels. I'm looking for a Bellville washer like a 8-115 or 8-116 to put in the 349 drag stack to see if it flatens out the spile in the drag curve.
Yesterday I sanded a set of #63 washers down to the proper OD and 349 #2 has the 5+1 drag now. Doing the OD is easier on a belt sander but the ID is easier if all you have is a drill or Dremel.
I got some SS Bellville washers for a 113H from Alan and put 2 of them between the star and the spacer, (), and the drag ramps up smoothly now. I did have to replace all but one of the .060 metal washers with .045 ones to get the Bellvilles in place. There is still a slight compression when the star is backed off all of the way.
Quote from: Keta on May 30, 2012, 03:06:45 PM
I got some SS Bellville washers for a 113H from Alan and put 2 of them between the star and the spacer, (), and the drag ramps up smoothly now. I did have to replace all but one of the .060 metal washers with .045 ones to get the Bellvilles in place. There is still a slight compression when the star is backed off all of the way.
That is something I'll try on my 349's and 113H.
Fitted mine this morning, with the bellevilles oriented as Lee mentions above.
The outcome? Perfect... ;) ;D
Thanks Lee - much appreciated.
Cheers, Justin
Lee and Justin,
What is the part # for the bellevilles?
The Bellville washers are not a Penn part, I think they came from Mc Master-Carr. Penn 70 Bellvile washers will work but they are steel.
Quote from: Keta on June 23, 2012, 12:09:48 PM
The Bellville washers are not a Penn part, I think they came from Mc Master-Carr. Penn 70 Bellvile washers will work but they are steel.
Thank you Lee.
my apologies to badhabit. he is one of the guys that was accidentally deleted! it would be nice to get everyone back on board. :-\
Just a real quick and dirty update: Thanks to the generosity of Lee and Dawn's quick response, one of my 349Hs now has 7+1 drags. Lee sent two sets of the thin washers he cut and Dawn sent two sets of #59 CF washers. Lee's washers fit perfectly, and the #59 CF were ID bored and OD reduced (both very easy to do). The main gear slots were bot ground with a carbide bit to deepen them and that took all of 3 minutes each. Will take pics and post later. Will also post drag poundage figures too. The next upgrade will be to convert to 113H SS gear sleeve.
1+7 in a 349H; that's neat stuff! It should have higher drag numbers than a stock 6/0! :o I think about where we were several months ago, just trying to get a 1+5 drag in the same reels. As an old commercial says "you've come a long way, baby". ;D
Albert, I eagerly await your next report.
George
Quote from: alantani on June 25, 2012, 08:27:32 AM
my apologies to badhabit. he is one of the guys that was accidentally deleted! it would be nice to get everyone back on board. :-\
Alan: Maybe you should reconsider, everyone wants to get rid of a bad habit. ;D Just kidding bad habit. Dominick
Quote from: redsetta on June 21, 2012, 10:25:19 PM
Fitted mine this morning, with the bellevilles oriented as Lee mentions above.
The outcome? Perfect... ;) ;D
Thanks Lee - much appreciated.
Cheers, Justin
Same here. Thanks Lee good work. :-* Dominick
hey, does anyone know badhabit? his account was accidentally deleted and i want to get him signed up again.
Did his name have something to do with it? ;D
Can any of you gentlemen send me some measurements on the pinion gear for this reel? I found a couple of unmarked pinion gears and since they're discontinued, it might be a good idea for me to check them out. Thanks! Sal
I have an HC (3.25:1) pinion I can measure tonight, if it'd be useful.
Thanks Justin, just don't take that reel apart if you don't have to. This is actually for you guys. I have a few 49's, but no 349's. As I mentioned, I'm not sure on what I have. If they happen to be for the 349's and since they're hard to get, I'll be happy to send them to whomever might need them, but keep in mind that I only have a couple.
I have a pinion I can measure in the morning.
Here's what the one I have measures,
15T
H .592"
OD .522"
ID .216"
Sorry Sal, got sidetracked last night on a couple of troublesome BTR6500s.
Will get the measurements tonight.
No worries Justin.
Lee, thanks for the measurements, mine don't match
This is what I have
H .592
OD .648...on the teeth
ID .210
My pinion looks just like the 13-117, only smaller. Does yours look the same?
I hate unmarked parts.
Thanks guys!
The 349H gear has a support ring, the one you have sounds like a 349 gear. How many teeth?
19 teeth, Lee.
The gear I have that I THINK is a 349 pinion is,
19T
H .596" (close to .592")
OD .650" (close enough to .648")
ID .217" (.007 is not that close but you might have measured off a burr)
Sal, I'm sure you have a 349 (not "H") pinion gear. Here are the measurements for my 349 pinion gear.
H .595
OD .648
ID .217
And while we're at it, the groove for the yoke measures .436. The diameter of the end that doesn't have teeth, the end that engages the spool is .499. It DOES look like a smaller version of the 13-117 gear.
BTW do you have any other 349 parts?
It doesn't get any closer than that, thanks George.
I only have a pair, nothing else. If anyone needs to have one, just let me know.
I have 2 new ones that need a main gear to keep them company.
Here's a photo of a 349 (not H) pinion gear I hijacked from E-Bay
(http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/pict/3705937314374040_2.jpg)
One other thing about those darned 349/349H reels; they take different pinion yokes.
Quote from: Keta on July 25, 2012, 03:53:48 AM
I have 2 new ones that need a main gear to keep them company.
Here's a photo of a 349 (not H) pinion gear I hijacked from E-Bay
(http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/pict/3705937314374040_2.jpg)
Yep, that's it Lee.
From the looks of that pinion, I might have to get me a 349. That pinion is beefier tha my 13-115.
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 25, 2012, 04:01:41 AM
From the looks of that pinion, I might have to get me a 349. That pinion is beefier tha my 13-115.
I don't like to/want to modify any of the 349 bridges I have (all in working reels now that I found a nib Newell aluminum spool) but 349 can easily have a second dog installed by drilling the bridge and installing a pin...I think a 115 or 116 dog might work on a single lever 349 but I know where one can be made that will work.