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Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Abu Garcia/Garcia/Mitchell => Mitchell => Topic started by: jgp12000 on July 29, 2024, 12:32:54 PM

Title: 406 Bearings
Post by: jgp12000 on July 29, 2024, 12:32:54 PM
I tore down this 406 to clean/lube & was looking at Chester's walk thru. It appears one bearing is missing or not enough room for another in his photo & also on my 406.I haven't spilled any, so I am assuming it is to allow movement of the bearings?

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Title: Re: 406 Bearings
Post by: Midway Tommy on July 29, 2024, 04:15:59 PM
While there's an open space it doesn't look big enough to accommodate an additional ball. Probably just non-binding space. On a different note, what a stupid and cheap way to provide/include a ball bearing.  :o  :P An oilite would have probably served a better purpose since it's a saltwater reel.  ;)
Title: Re: 406 Bearings
Post by: jtwill98 on July 29, 2024, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on July 29, 2024, 04:15:59 PMAn oilite would have probably served a better purpose since it's a saltwater reel.

I don't disagree with your engineering assessment and doubt the Mitchell design team thought bearings was a good thing for saltwater reels. 

I bet it came down to a marketing decision where saltwater reels having bearings was probably a marketing sales point.  I think the reels were first manufactured in 1963, so I'm not sure how the sales market was during that time -- too young.
Title: Re: 406 Bearings
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on July 29, 2024, 05:23:00 PM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on July 29, 2024, 04:15:59 PMWhile there's an open space it doesn't look big enough to accommodate an additional ball. Probably just non-binding space. On a different note, what a stupid and cheap way to provide/include a ball bearing.  :o  :P An oilite would have probably served a better purpose since it's a saltwater reel.  ;)
I kind of agree.

And I'm gonna test James' claim that he doesn't care about his threads going sideways to ask:

I've been looking at replacing the ball bearings in some reels with an oilite or just a brass bushing. But it seems there's a long list of sizes that ball bearings come in but brass bushings don't come in. They seem to only come in a small handful of sizes. Like say I want a 3x10x4mm (IDxODxDepth) to replace the spool bearings on many baitcasters. Doesn't seem to exist. Am I missing something or looking in the wrong places? Maybe I need to talk to Tom about making some...
Title: Re: 406 Bearings
Post by: Midway Tommy on July 29, 2024, 06:22:17 PM
QuoteAm I missing something or looking in the wrong places?

Have you checked the Oilite catalogs? (https://oilite.com/oilite)
Title: Re: 406 Bearings
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on July 29, 2024, 07:06:38 PM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on July 29, 2024, 06:22:17 PM
QuoteAm I missing something or looking in the wrong places?

Have you checked the Oilite catalogs? (https://oilite.com/oilite)
I got excited. But nope. Nada.
Title: Re: 406 Bearings
Post by: jgp12000 on July 29, 2024, 07:15:04 PM
There is a thread on here I just read ::) the guy milled a bushing on a 306?
Stacked 2 BB atop each other,I don't have the equipment or know how or want to bad enough but was impressive nonetheless.I am looking for it now...
Title: Re: 406 Bearings
Post by: Gfish on July 29, 2024, 07:23:05 PM
I' m missing something here. I had a 306 and I don't remember any ball bearings. Just the bushings. Checked the M. G. Schematics and didn't see any ball bearings. Looked at; 306 & 406 several schematics for the different year versions.

Aaannnttt! Error. Yes, the schematic shows one unit but lists it as a pinion + ball bearing assembly. Now, did I ever disassemble mine that far? Maybe not...
Title: Re: 406 Bearings
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on July 29, 2024, 07:30:47 PM
Maybe Keith got bored. Or maybe the owner before. A few reels I got from him didn't make any sense when compared to factory specs.
Title: Re: 406 Bearings
Post by: jgp12000 on July 29, 2024, 07:32:11 PM
Gregg,306 has bushing,406 bearings,this was it Jason.

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