Serviced/restored my 112 a couple of years ago, and it had some great action. Took it fishing a few weeks ago and after pulling in a blue fish on a troll I noted significant friction between the spool and the crank side plate. After dismantling I don't notice anything particularly off but still note the dragging even while the spool is just "laying" against the pinion (meaning reel is not reassembled). It has to be something really simple but it is evading me.
Any rub marks on the spool or frame?
Quote from: Gfish on October 21, 2024, 05:12:32 PMAny rub marks on the spool or frame?
Not that is immediately apparent. However, upon further inspection it may be rubbing against the hoke plate.
Here's how it looks on the inside. Again, it was working fine until caught a fish, and the handle turns just fine now without the spool.
I'm thinking it's the spool flange rubbing on the inside rim of the side plate
Quote from: Swami805 on October 21, 2024, 06:18:35 PMI'm thinking it's the spool flange rubbing on the inside rim of the side plate
Best I can tell there is clearance. It spins fine when in freespool.
So something on the one of the internal plates, or that supports those plates, might be tweaked. Not real familiar with the O.C.'s. Which plate moves when the free-spool lever is actuated?
Is the screw in the eccentric assembly an original screw?
As Lee recently reminded us, you can "blueprint" the reel by coloring the edge of the spool, yoke. bridge, etc. with a Sharpie pen to figure out where it is rubbing. At 6 o'clock below the suspect yoke screw in the photo it looks like rub marks.
Quote from: sabaman1 on October 21, 2024, 11:50:22 PMIs the screw in the eccentric assembly an original screw?
As far as i know, yes. It came with the reel and matches all other photos and diagrams. And again, it worked fine for a while.
Quote from: Leonardo on October 22, 2024, 01:01:40 PMIF it was working FINE before you caught the BLUEFISH and you had the rubbing immediately afterwards and a thorough tear down and cleaning it still has the Rub then either you blew the spool outwards by using the wrong line or the bushings in the end bearings just wore out on the last trip . Ocean City uses small brass bushings in those end bearings which are replaceable when you can find them . Just a SMALL amount of wear will result in the problem you are having .
That sounds more likely. What would you consider the "wrong line"? I was running 30# mono. FWIW the bluefish was probably about 5-7#, so it wasn't a monster but did put up a stout bluefish fight.
Quote from: Leonardo on October 22, 2024, 01:14:27 PMIn my opinion
That sounds more likely. What would you consider the "wrong line"? I was running 30# mono. FWIW the bluefish was probably about 5-7#, so it wasn't a monster but did put up a stout bluefish fight.
For that Reel Mono that size will cause your problem . They made special spools for Mono in the 922/933 series however I have not seen any for the Reel you have .
You can try and drill a hole in a board where the spool shafts and or Clicker gear will clear and with another piece of wood on the end of shaft then hit it with a hammer and see if you can bent the edges back . Does not take much and if those bushings I mention are worn even the slightest it will cause your problem .
But even if I fix it I can't continue to run mono on it. Will I run into this problem with my Penn Long Beach 65 or Senator 113h? I pretty much run mono exclusively.
Do you have the solid bearing on the crank side Is it tight you can remove and punch the middle down Or replace with the adjustable bearing cap type Sorry for the short answers but I am doing this from the phone
Now I'm not so sure it's the bearing. Now I think it's the spool.
For one, the tabs on the crank side have to slot into the pinion gear clutch, where as best I can tell will always be a flush fit.
For another, I'm seeing what appear to be stress cracks on my spool that I can't swear were there before. Maybe my spool got warped is the more likely possibility?
Good call Leonardo. Nicely done.
Yup. Never woulda guessed that one.
I must admit, I mostly thought the 'Mono breaks spools' thing was a myth.
I also run Mono on almost all my old reels, and anything that might be used for casting. Would the sometimes recommended Braid or Dacron backing under the Mono have helped the OP's 112?
Quote from: bja105 on October 24, 2024, 06:26:27 PMI must admit, I mostly thought the 'Mono breaks spools' thing was a myth.
I also run Mono on almost all my old reels, and anything that might be used for casting. Would the sometimes recommended Braid or Dacron backing under the Mono have helped the OP's 112?
I also just recently broke a plastic spool on an Penn LB65.
I can't swear the cracks weren't there before, but then it also doesn't really matter at this point.
That looks like textbook expansion from mono reeled under pressure. 50 yards of braid or Dacron backing might've helped. The 113H should run 30-40 all day with no issues out of the box, and can easily run 50 if proper attention is paid. The LB with a solid spool can handle 30 all day, and I'd wager the LB65 with 80 or 100 lb mono rankes right up there in the numbers of head boat catches- certainly in NC.
Quote from: thorhammer on October 24, 2024, 07:39:48 PMThat looks like textbook expansion from mono reeled under pressure. 50 yards of braid or Dacron backing might've helped. The 113H should run 30-40 all day with no issues out of the box, and can easily run 50 if proper attention is paid. The LB with a solid spool can handle 30 all day, and I'd wager the LB65 with 80 or 100 lb mono rankes right up there in the numbers of head boat catches- certainly in NC.
Good to know. I'm picking up some LB60's this weekend that will likely finish out my lineup, then I'll put my OC112 and Penn 85 back on the shelf, after I transfer the new line to the 60's.
Stop cranking in those monster fish "L-C-S" with little 'ol antique reels!😜
I bought a Penn 309 with one flange that would spin around. Took awhile to see that there was a through and through crack from the flange to the arbor, and all the way across the arbor to the other side. Weird.
I would like to see more pictures of the spool with the line off . I have seen mono jacking spools before . This spool look defective as it has spalling in the spool sides . Strange that the cracks are down low at the arbor were it is the strongest . I dought that you ran that much line off the spool and started putting line back on that tight to pop the spool . I think the cracks were there for a while .
Quote from: oldmanjoe on October 24, 2024, 10:46:34 PMI would like to see more pictures of the spool with the line off . I have seen mono jacking spools before . This spool look defective as it has spalling in the spool sides . Strange that the cracks are down low at the arbor were it is the strongest . I dought that you ran that much line off the spool and started putting line back on that tight to pop the spool . I think the cracks were there for a while .
Possibly! That's some sound logic. I probably only let out 100' of line. I also noticed the non handle side bearing was not seated fully. I set it flight and it os better, but still has some wobble and scraping.
When I blow up the above picture , I see at the 4 o`clock position ,the spool rimming "brass showing .
Kinder strange , I would have expected more rimming at the 2 and 8 o`clock position , were as the spool would try to fold on the cracks .